[bad car sounds of crazy driving]
Cambria: Guys, welcome back to Can of Worms. We’re crashing in Fast and Furious style. That was me parking very aggressively. Could you– were you– could you tell?
Max: Yeah, no. I mean, that was, correct me if I’m wrong, that was audio that you recorded just a couple minutes ago.
Cambria: That’s right.
Max: Of the parking lot of the University.
Cambria: That’s right, that was me doing donuts in the university parking lot.
Max: Yes.
Cambria: With Vin Diesel.
Max: Oh, Vincent!
Cambria: Vin was there.
Max: Yeah, I know, I know of him.
Cambria: It was awesome.
Max: That’s very cool. What did he say about parking? What parking passes does he have?
Cambria: The family one.
Max: Okay. I’m Max by the way. And who are you?
Cambria: Hey, I’m Cambria.
Max: Did you already say that?
Cambria: I sure didn’t. I said, this is Can of Worms. I’m Cambria.
Max: I’m Max. We’re gonna be talking about parking at the U, which is a hot button, hot topic.
Cambria: Hot topic.
Max: Hottest.
Cambria: Hottest topic.
[out on the U of U campus montage]
Cambria: We’re with the Daily Utah Chronicle, Can of Worms. What do you guys think about parking at the U right now?
Student 1: It’s a bit tough.
Student 2: It’s atrocious.
Student 3: It’s terrible.
Cambria: Okay, okay, tell me more. Tell me more.
Student 4: I think it is a blatant money grab that is a disadvantage to students for a school that likes to advertise that they are a commuter school. As the majority of students on this campus do not live on campus.
Student 5: I do have a car up here, but parking is like hard, like finding parking, especially like, near where I live, it’s just a pain.
Student 6: Well, I don’t have a car, but my friends always complain about how expensive the parking– the fee is, and then, like, they are lacking of space as well. And we all always talk about, like, shouldn’t we have, shouldn’t we need, like, discount for, like, the U students? Because we go to the U obviously.
Student 2: It is expensive, like, just to be able to, like, park a car up here and be able to go to school.
Student 1: My U pass was, like, $215
Cambria: Oh, wow.
Student 2: They’ll give you tickets even if you park in your designated spot that you’re allowed to.
Cambria: Oh, really?
Student 1: It’s a whole process to get them appealed.
Cambria: Okay, and will they appeal them, or do you–
Student 2: Sometimes.
Student 1: Sometimes.
Cambria: And in places that you already have passes for, they’ll just ticket you?
Student 2: Yeah, and then they give you an appeal saying, Oh, it was a wrongfully issued ticket. And then, like, our parking unfortunately, people just need to pay more attention.
Cambria: And not– and not fix the problem? Okay.
Student 2: Yeah, yeah.
Student 7: Personally, I don’t drive on campus. So I think there’s too much, but I know that’s not the common consensus.
Cambria: You think there’s too much parking?
Student 7: Yeah, there’s like, like, so much of campus is dedicated to parking, and for all the people who don’t drive and, like, take the bus or bike, like, it’s just annoying, I wish fewer people were able to drive.
Cambria: So you wish that more people were doing public transit?
Student 7: Yeah.
Cambria: Okay, gotcha.
Student 7: I do understand that it is a commuter school. Like, a lot of people are coming from, like, you know, maybe an hour drive away for some people.
Student 8: Like, I feel like I live on campus. So I feel like I should get it for free.
Student 6: Well, if we don’t have enough space for all students, I think like in reality, I think it’s hard to just make it free, so I think they definitely need a discount for the U students, because, like, we’re students, we’re all broke.
Cambria: Already paying to go to the school.
Student 6: Yeah, right.
Student 1: Build another parking garage, or three.
Cambria: Or three to actually accommodate. What are your thoughts about them giving out more passes than there are spots?
Student 1: It’s unethical.
[back in the studio]
Max: Now, Cami.
Cambria: Yeah?
Max: You drive to school or are driven to school a lot of the time.
Cambria: I’ve been known to drive to school.
Max: Could you talk about your experience in parking really quick?
Cambria: We, being me and my brother, we both go to this school, and we have a U pass on one car that we share. And so we will usually trade off, or just figure out our school schedules and show up. And usually we’ll park on Guardsman, which is, you know, by the tennis field and all that stuff down that– is that right? Yeah, no, that’s right. We’re parking on Guardsman, because usually there’s parking over there, and that’s a U lot over there. But what has happened is, well, at least this year, especially– every year that we park, it’s, it’s like first come, first serve. There’s more U passes out there than there are parking spots. Which I guess makes sense, because not everyone’s parking every day, but you got to kind of pick and choose. On Friday, sometimes we can park at the stadium, very exciting, but usually, if you want to get, you know, good parking got to get there earlier.
Max: Fridays like today.
Cambria: Fridays like today.
Max: Did you park at the stadium?
Cambria: I didn’t. I got dropped today because my brother is coming later, and so he’s gonna park at the stadium.
Max: Okay, well, then he’s gonna get all the glory.
Cambria: That’s right.
Max: That sucks. I also had, don’t ask me the means by which I got it, but I had a U pass, a U permit last year, and I used it whenever I was I had a screenwriting class. And a lot of film classes are late, and this was a 6 to 10 class, which I was fine with, but just my bus doesn’t run that late, so I had to drive to this class. Or get rides.
Cambria: Lots of lots that are U after 3pm.
Max: I was good to park up by what’s it called? What’s the student – the union? Except for the one time I got a ticket, they did clearly label which spots were U parking, but they did not label what spots weren’t U parking. So when you enter the parking lot, it says, you know, U parking after six? I go in and I don’t see the the U parking signs, I just park.
Cambria: It’s true. There is some signage that is less clear. And so I have, as well, have gotten a ticket. I was like, hey, but this is U lot. And they’re like, “No,” but you know, just look, look better next time. And I was like, okay, so…
Max: Parking in the past years has been frustrating for students, whether it be because, you know, parking passes are quite expensive. They’re more expensive than a lot of other schools, and they’re getting pricier. As the demand goes up from students.
Cambria: The hourly parking has gone up. Every year.
Max: Hourly parking goes up every single year. And I remember when it was $2 per hour. Now it’s at 4 right now? 4 right now. They’re introducing half hour payment, which is better, but, you know, it’s not great. It’s a little frustrating. And the cherry on top is that recently, the University has announced a course schedule change, which I would say, got some pushback, a little bit.
Cambria: Yeah, you could say just a little bit of friction with the students.
Max: Yeah, I pulled up the post on August 28th, 2025, the year of our Lord, they posted a picture of, I think one of the it’s one of the lots up by the Student Life Center. There’s a picture of a full lot with the bio: So about parking dot, dot, dot, which is a very cutesy way to introduce twirling your hair. So, mmm…
Cambria: Really cute.
Max: The majority of our courses are scheduled between 9am to 2pm especially on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Meanwhile, early morning hours, late afternoons and Mondays and Fridays are significantly underused. This leads to scheduling bottlenecks, which limits flexibility for students, hinders graduation rates, increases the time it takes to earn a diploma, and exacerbates space problems, including the ability to find parking. So beginning next semester, 50% of classes will be scheduled outside the “prime time hours”, in quotes of 9am to 2pm and by Fall 2026 no more than 30% of classes will be scheduled during the prime time hours on Tuesday, Thursday, and no more than 30% on Monday, Wednesday, Friday. It’s kind of complicated. While it is just one measured or improved parking, we hope that it will increase availability. And then see the link in our bio for more information on this initiative. Now, how do you think students reacted to this?
Cambria: Well, I know how students reacted to this, because me and my friends, we saw this news, and immediately there was a lot, I will say I wasn’t thrilled about it.
Max: No.
Cambria: Because there is a reason that the prime time hours are the prime time hours. It’s because it’s the most convenient for people to have classes at those times. Because outside of those hours is when everyone has other work and going home and having time to themselves to do homework, do work, go to their jobs, do laundry, just sort of live. And so immediately we’re like, Well, this is under a great assumption that the U is the only thing that all students are doing.
Max: Correct. Can you give me, like, an over-under on how many comments you think this post got?
Cambria: Oh, I have no idea. How many students are at the U?
Max: Oh, I don’t know. A whole lot.
Cambria: Over-under… I don’t know, 800.
Max: Comments?
Cambria: Yeah.
Max: We’re looking at about 2,500 so it’s a little more than like three times that. The top comment is from a friend of ours, Daffodil Buchert.
Cambria: Shout out, Chrony!
Max: I almost got it wrong too. I’ve known it for so long.
Cambria: She’s going to listen to this.
Max: Buchert. She said, “No, wait, babe, don’t make classes impossible to access for students who work or commute or live with our parents. You’re so sexy. Aha”
Cambria: That’s good.
Max: How many likes do you think this got?
Cambria: 69.
Max: 600.
Cambria: That’s awesome.
Max: That’s a lot. That’s one of the highest liked comments. Right below it is someone’s comment just says, This is dumb. That has one like, and that was done by someone named Max Rheineer.
Cambria: Oh, weird.
Max: Yeah. Not a lot of likes, considering. But whatever.
Cambria: Not as funny or popular.
Max: All that to say is that people were not happy with the decision, and I think they are actually today, at noon that we’re recording this, and this podcast is definitely not going to go up at noon. So this is useless information for people listening. They’re holding a town hall with the people, I think, with the commuting services, who were directly responsible for it, not they. It’s not the commuting services, but I don’t remember the actual name. I talked to some people about it, but they’re holding a town hall with ASUU, with the people who kind of decided this, for students to voice their opinions about it. Because the University is very you know, they want to. They want to hear people out on this, because it is a radical change. And as I, as you might have heard, it’s not really worded all too well. It’s a little vague about what any of this means. I think one of the major things that I talked to people about was that people were confused that this meant, like, like, 50% of all the courses will be during prime time hours, or they’re only allowed to pick 50%…
Cambria: Yes, it was unclear. Like, if you had the option of four classes and three of them were prime time, you would have to take the last one, even if it regardless of, like, who the teacher was, or if that worked with your schedule. Or, yeah, it was unclear.
Max: For that, I interviewed Alexander Rose, who is the president of the ASUU.
[interview]
Alex: Hi, yes. My name is Alex Rose, and I’m the current student body president for ASUU here at the University of Utah, and also a member of the Board of Trustees.
[in the studio]
Max: Kind of a big get.
Cambria: That’s awesome. Well done.
Max: Very, very happy to speak to me and he cleared up a lot about what this whole parking change is. The first thing he mentioned was that parking never, kind of what you said earlier, parking never reaches maximum capacity for all of their lots.
[interview]
Alex: In terms of total parking spaces for students, there’s actually not ever – students never really reached that maximum. Even at peak hours. It’s more the spots that are close to the buildings they need to be at that those spots fill up a lot faster and more and so just trying to get more parking at prime hours, I guess, get more parking in general, so that students who may be late to class, or maybe rushing home from work or whatever, that they can get to class on time and have a parking spot close to their building. That’s where the issue lies, in my opinion.
[in the studio]
Max: So when we say that the interest rate is above the market rate. That’s really only for, like, specific permits and specific spaces people want to park at the stadium because it’s right there, because that’s where everyone wants to park – nobody can park there.
Cambria: Yeah, closest, most convenient.
Max: Whenever we vote for a new ASUU presidency, parking is a major thing that’s discussed. So I asked him what they could really change in so far as parking.
[interview]
Alex: In terms of like building and constructing and programming the studies for new lots in general, it’s really difficult as a student body president to make those changes happen, because that has to come through, you know, commuter services, planning and their programming through the Board of Trustees and many other boards who have to approve that. But what we can do is we can advocate for alternative solutions a lot dealing with like ticket prices or access on specific days and what that looks like. And I actually want to credit the past President Joe Boyden, because they worked a lot, really hard on this issue, and they actually were to, they were able to accomplish a lot and so, so, for example, Joe, one thing they advocated for that’s going to be implemented here soon is opportunity for tickets to be voided on your account, so if you have completed number of Like, service hours, for example, that you can get a ticket voided at the end of the semester. And so it’s a way where students who may stack up a few number of tickets, they’re able to work that out with commuter services. And I talk with the Dean of Students, and commuter services is honestly more willing to work with students, thenI think sometimes students will think about working out their parking tickets and getting some of them voided. So there’s always a great step, just to reach out to them, explain your situation, maybe what you’re going through. And they’re always willing to help.
[in the studio]
Max: They really, they can’t do all that much. It’s mostly just stuff on the easiest stuff they can change they’re working to. But the easiest stuff they can change is not really. It’s more like band aids.
Cambria: Gotcha.
Max: But yeah, you know. So. About the course schedule change.
[interview]
Alex: The course schedule policy change has been a big, hot topic here at the University of Utah for a lot of students, rightfully so. I first and foremost want to say I am proud of the students for speaking up about this. A lot of them were concerned, and how this could, you know, challenge them with their their work times, or parking as well, or whatever it may be. Originally, it was never supposed to be about parking. It’s it’s always just been about like core schedule policy change and giving students more flexibility with their courses. So in my discussions with administration, and I might not have the exact percentage, but around 30 to 40% of our courses or our majors, excuse me, students aren’t able to complete within four years because of course flexibility issues. So maybe certain classes that are required for their major may overlap at the same times due to a congestion on campus and things. And so we’ve seen that’s been a big issue. And so that was a big reason why they were wanting to increase a few more classes and later times, or earlier times of the week and more frequent days, so that way they can spread that out more so students will be able to complete the classes they need to within that week. Originally, it came off that like a lot of students were concerned about this, but the more we’ve come to understand the data behind it, a lot of universities do the same thing. We understood that it actually may be the right direction for the university according to what data shows, but we’re still trying to advocate for our students. And one thing we talked about with the office was what if are those students who may have to work, or maybe that schedule doesn’t align with them, and they said that they would handle those on a case by case basis, and they’re always open to having students speak with them as well.
[in the studio]
Max: About the course schedule change. The most interesting thing he levied to me is that when it was brought up to him, this was not about parking. At all.
Cambria: Oh, okay.
[interview]
Alex: Truthfully, whenever it was presented to me, it was never about parking. So that’s why even myself, I was a little bit thrown off by the post, for sure.
[in the studio]
Max: It was fully about – they mentioned that in their first paragraph – it’s fully about students being able to graduate within four years and taking all the classes they need, because their studies showed that students could not take all the classes they needed within four years because–
Cambria: Because they overlap?
Max: They overlap. But also there’s just too much capacity in those prime time hours. All these necessary classes that they need to take are during these specific 9am to 2pm and because everyone’s taking classes, then, because, as you said, it’s the most convenient time to take classes, it’s completely filled up. And the idea there, or the idea that was brought up to Alex was that this was fully just to help students and bottlenecking, and when it came out, when they talked about–
Cambria: So at some point between the first pitch and when they released, “So about parking, dot, dot, dot”, there was something lost in the sauce.
Max: And the weirdest thing about the post that everyone’s talking about. Because ever you know, most people are looking at this as a parking thing because they framed it as a park– the first sentence is about parking. The first sentence of the first paragraph is about parking, and the last sentence of the first paragraph is about parking, and the picture is about parking. Other than that, they don’t mention any parking. The entire second paragraph, there’s no information about parking.
Cambria: That is strange.
Max: It’s kind of – they mostly do talk about the scheduling bottlenecks hindering graduation. Statistics that they say they did a lot of research on. I don’t have that research pulled up…
Cambria: Sure. Which I guess begs the question, why make it labeled about parking?
Max: At all.
Cambria: At all? Yeah, if that’s not what this is about.
Max: I think because – I think they wanted it to be – I think people, they thought people would care less if they just mentioned this thing.
Cambria: And so they–
Max: But because parking. It’s like, Hey guys, we’re gonna fix parking. When you come in with that, everyone wants the school to fix parking, so when they come in with that, you know, the saving grace. They thought people were going to be like, ooh!
Cambria: And instead, everyone was like, I don’t know about this.
Max: I don’t know about this.
Cambria: I don’t know about this.
Max: They completely – well, you know, it was, as Alex pointed out, it was just a PR mess because of that.
[interview]
Alex: I think the University would say it was a big PR failure. I sometimes think there may be a disconnect between their social media and like, what the actual administration is doing. And so I think they see parking, as you know, such a passionate hot topic for students that, because that there could be a side benefit to parking with this policy, that’s what they wanted to focus on, right, in terms of motivating this for students.
[in the studio]
Max: The University knew that students would listen to some aspects of what they said, which is why they framed the whole thing around parking but in doing that, people are missing out on the probably more important aspects of what the course schedule change is. Which is also that the drop that 50% of classes will be scheduled outside of primetime hours is not that big a leap from what it was. Can you – so there is a – currently this, what’s this semester? Fall 2025, there is an amount of classes scheduled during primetime hours, and next semester, it’ll be dropped to 50. Do you– can you take a guess what the amount of classes scheduled during primetime hours during this semester is?
Cambria: Okay, so…
Max: There is a drop.
Cambria: There is a drop. But the way that you’ve presented it makes me think that probably it’s not that many that are scheduled during–
Max: What?
Cambria: I would – 55%.
Max: 55.
Cambria: 55?
[interview]
Alex: Of all departments, 55% of their courses fall within primetime hours, and they are wanting to decrease that number to 50% so every department was required to move 5% of courses to non prime time hours. So actually, there’s nothing on the student. A student is still able to schedule within the prime time hours if they want to, they’re still able to stack it was more on the department’s end, the departments how to change the courses that they were offering outside of those non prep time hours.
[in the studio]
Max: So really, we’re dealing with maybe, like, one or two classes.
Cambria: That is interesting.
Max: Or, like, what? What are the amount of classes there each semester, or each department, each school? I mean, there are a good amount, but not an infinitesimal– is that the right usage of that word, infinitesimal?
Cambria: Infinitesimal–
Max: Infinite, infinitesimal. It’s not an infinitesimal amount. It’s just probably doing 5%? Probably just gonna be like a handful of classes.
Cambria: Sure. But I will say this is a great example of making it feel like a huger deal than it is, because if you all of your if you have scheduled personally, all of your classes during primetime hours, and it feels like half of your classes are going to be out of there, and that would suddenly be very huge inconvenience for you.
Max: When really there’s a good chance that none of the classes that you’ve scheduled, there’s a good chance the classes that are scheduled outside of primetime hours are stuff that you’re not going to want to take, and it does not dictate the ones you choose. But because they didn’t phrase it correctly…
Cambria: Yes, that’s also assuming that you’re taking only classes for one department.
Max: Correct.
Cambria: And not doing any Gen Eds or minors or certificates or any bonus like electives.
Max: Correct. Not mentioning– by saying what they’re changing it to and not mentioning what we’re currently at. They did such a major disservice. Because the gap is not that wide at all, just a couple percentage points for now. Because if you’ve read the second part of the second paragraph of the Instagram post, Fall 2026, no more than 30% of classes will be scheduled during primetime hours.
Cambria: Now that is a bigger jump than 50. Is that for–
Max: It’s a huge gap.
Cambria: 55% of classes are in primetime hours being lowered to 50%. And then the next semester, is that what they’re saying?
Max: Fall 2026.
Cambria: Okay, so next year.
Max: It would hopefully be lower to 30% of classes in prime time hours.
Cambria: I will say, that does sound– that is a much bigger jump, and does sound like it would potentially affect the primetime hours more.
Max: I would argue so. But they’re also not, because of this Instagram post and the reaction to it, they’re not sure if they’re going to do that yet.
Cambria: Yeah, well, that makes sense.
Max: They’re going to look at this semester and or this coming semester–
Cambria: And maybe elucidate to the students more what the actual intention is.
Max: Yeah, and they’re going to see what happens.
[interview]
Alex: This semester, because it’s going down to 50% it’s only 5% difference. They just want to see how students react to it, how they’re able, their ability to schedule, to make their schedules change, and then they’ll examine from there. And if it looks like that it’s on the right trajectory that’s actually helping a lot of students with their course flexibility. And there’s not really any side, you know, negative effects of it and that they’ll probably keep going with it, but they are very mindful to students, and if they see that like this just really isn’t working, and students are very still upset about it after this semester, I think they’re going to deter from continuing down that path of like, 30%.
[in the studio]
Cambria: Now, I do think that everyone who wants to graduate should be able to have the access to all of their classes they could, and having all of their required classes be during the same time block is unfortunate, because you have to, like, rework and figure out, what will – you know, what will jive.
Max: It’s true.
Cambria: However, I do think the valid concerns about like, Okay, what about outside those hours when students have jobs and home lives and families and things to take care of, like is a valid concern as well.
Max: It’s probably forcing a little too much. I don’t have a solution for this, guys. Alex himself said that he’s not sure if there’s a bright– there’s not a good solution for this.
Cambria: Yeah. I mean, it is a big school, and they keep letting in students. And so there’s a lot of classes and a lot of just people in classes. And so especially, like getting classrooms all like, I think for classrooms that’ll be a good to, like, maybe spread those out, because I remember, or I know that, like, even this semester, I have a class that is a small class, but we, because we’re so small, we were shoved into a room that should probably only for like, six people, because we were such a smaller class. But there are so many things spread out and it just we, there’s just a lot of crazy things happening. Like Gardner Commons always has every class ever, because it’s just new building, and so they’re just putting in whoever can fit. The number of freshmen have been increasing every year that have been let in. Like, who’ve been, you know, granted enrollment by the U. And so that has definitely amplified, especially like the first weeks of classes always are the parking is the worst that it can be, because everyone is going to classes, and everyone wants to show up. And then about a few weeks in, it starts to kind of settle down, because people have settled into their routines, or what works best, or they just don’t go to classes because it’s college or things like that. And so it always– it always shifts.
Max: Yeah, it does, but it’s, we’re in a weird state of change right now because President Randall is wanting to, do you hear about the old, not old town, which – college town magic?
Cambria: No?
Max: Well, he’s, it’s basically like decades long initiative of making the University more like a college town. People can live and there can always be something going on, and people can basically, you know, but it’s sort of an infrastructure change that requires a lot more housing, for why they’re building all this housing. A lot more parking, which they’re working on, but it’s, it’s gonna take a couple of years. They’re work– they’re they’re two parking garages, they’re planning on building but you know, how long is that going to take? For the people like us who are graduating soon, we will not see the college town magic. We will not see these new parking garages, and we’re kind of left in this weird…
Cambria: Limbo space for the people who are here exactly right now, just trying to graduate and get their classes in.
Max: What really sucks, which I think the University should – here’s the opinion part of the–
Cambria: Here we go.
Max: Of the podcast. I think the University should understand why, you know, these students are not happy about planning these infrastructure changes, and we– because they affect people who are babies right now. Children! And we’re, we feel like we’re being left behind.
Cambria: And, yeah, left behind. And they – it seems like, from the students, often, that they like to treat the U, not as a commuter school
Max: Which it is.
Cambria: Which it is! It is, truly, it’s a huge commuter school. And they always try – and I realize that, like, a lot of paying for parking and the hourly stuff is to kind of dissuade people from, like, taking individual cars instead of and like, use buses or the tracks instead. But that is not always the best solution for people, and so trying to take away some of those opportunities and making things more expensive and less accessible with the intention of making people, you know, figure out like public transit. But if you want to do that, you have to make the public transit accessible.
Max: Correct.
Cambria: And that’s my hot take.
Max: Do you know 83% of students commute from off campus?
Cambria: Yeah, that makes sense.
Max: It’s a large amount.
Cambria: It’s a large amount.
Max: It feels kind of like they’re trying to shove a square peg in a round hole.
Cambria: A little bit.
Max: Feels like– they should be adapting to what the school already is and trying to make it something that it isn’t.
Cambria: I agree.
Max: Like we’re not a college town, and you can try, and it feels like the places that are that were that from their inception. This place very much wasn’t.
Cambria: The U is a big place. It’s hard to change the infrastructure of the thing.
Max: And, you know, it’s a big– it’s a weird city. I think it’s a different– there’s not a lot of space for us to build on because we’re at the big top of a hill shoved right next to a mountain. Can’t really dig into it.
Cambria: Sometimes you got to walk uphill up campus. And it’s unfortunate.
Max: Sometimes?
Cambria: All the time.
Max: Yeah, there you go.
Cambria: All the time you have to, it’s all uphill.
Max: This is kind of depressing.
Cambria: Yeah.
Max: Do we got any like– students, this is your chance to organize and to tell the college what you don’t like about things. The town hall is being hosted the day we’re recording this. Of course, useless to– this will be completely, just not completely useless to market that, but they’re hoping to hold more in the future. They’re already– this is the second one, I think, of the school year. So go to those. Tell the University how you want the money, all the thousands of dollars you’re spending, you’re giving them, how you want that money to be spent.
Cambria: Yeah, there’s power in student voices. So always, you know, take the polls, go to the meetings, figure out where things are and when, and go talk about what is– what works for you and what doesn’t, because it’s the students who actually go to the school and pay the school. So, you know, at some point they got to listen.
Max: What is a univ– what is a school without students? Exactly. So anyway, take the bus. That’s what I do. That’s what I did to get here. It’s, it’s the it’s the best way. Or just ride a bike. Riding a bike is probably the best way.
Cambria: Yeah, until the snow.
Max: Well, all right. When’s the snow coming? In like April?
Cambria: You’re right, you’re right, you’re right.
Max: We’ll do an episode about–
Cambria: Climate change?
Max: Climate change.
Cambria: That’ll be way more of an upper than this one.
Max: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Are you got anything else for us? You gotta go.
Cambria: [more bad car sounds]
Max: Okay. Alright. [joins in on the bad car sounds]
Cambria: [even more bad car sounds]
Max: Hey buddy! Hey buddy! Learn how to drive!
Cambria: I’m walking here!
[bad car sounds continue]
[big crash]
END
Host: Cambria Thorley // [email protected]
Host: Max Rhineer // [email protected]
