[intro music]
Max: You want cans? We got worms. Welcome back to the Can of Worms podcast. I am your co-host, Max, no last name.
Anna: I’m Anna, no last name.
Cambria: And I’m Cambria, who does have a last name.
Max: Are you gonna share it?
Cambria: You can learn my last name if you go to The Daily Utah Chronicle website.
Max: Ooh, I don’t believe I’m on that website yet.
Cambria: And check out all of our articles, stuff gets posted every day. It’s really good stuff.
Anna: Yeah.
Max: If you’re listening to this, and that’s a big if, then you should check out The Daily Utah Chronicle.
Cambria: If you are our audience of four people, which is us and my mom —
Anna: And my extended family.
Cambria: Then you can go, and if you’re at the U, join the Chrony! Think about joining.
Anna: It’s really cool.
Cambria: It’s a good spot. We do some fun stuff.
Max: You wanna know my favorite part of the Grammys?
Cambria: What?
Max: When they packed up 230 tons of snow and then John Legend skied down the slope into the audience. Guys, today we’re gonna be talking about skiing —
[Laughter]
Cambria: Did that actually happen?
Max: I don’t know. It could have.
Cambria: That’s awesome. I believe it.
Max: Well, you know what is gonna happen?
Cambria: What?
Max: We are going to get up on a big mountain on top of two planks of wood —
Cambria: Oh no.
Max: And go downhill.
Cambria: Nooo.
Max: Anna, Cami, have you guys been skiing before?
Anna: I have once, but I cried. It was really scary.
Max: Okay, Cambria?
Cambria: I have not been skiing, but my cousins go skiing when there’s snow, like every single day.
Max: Okay, I’ve not been skiing in years and years and years, so this is a great start to our episode. Now, why do you guys not go skiing? For me, it’s because I don’t think I’m good enough, and it’d be very scary to jump in the mountains. But why don’t you guys go skiing?
Cambria: Well, I think I would be really good at skiing, because I just sort of am filled with skill and talent, but I’m lazy, and also I have no money, and skiing is pretty —
Max: No money! That’s true, that’s a classic thing I know about you.
Cambria: I have no money, and I’m pretty sure that skiing is pretty expensive. Yeah, that’s so that’s kind of some of my … yeah, I’m so broke and poor.
Max: All right, what about you Anna, I know you’re not broke.
Anna: I’m not broke. I’m really bad at skiing. I tried it once, and I’m just terrible. I also just don’t have anybody to go with. All my stupid friends don’t ski.
Max: I’ve actually talked to a couple experts in the skiing world who can help us out in our trials and tribulations. Firstly, I talked to WOLI’s own Ryan McNevin.
Ryan: So my name is Ryan McNevin, and I’m the current president of the Women’s Outdoor Leadership Initiative.
Max: I also talked to Kate Ambler of the Freeskier Society.
Kate: I’m Kate. I’m a senior at the U, I study Parks, Recreation and Tourism. I’m also the president of the Freeskier Society here at the University of Utah.
Max: And Ben Shuckra, who is a famed competitive free skier here in Utah.
Ben: I’m Ben Shuckra. I go to the University of Utah for Parks, Recreation and Tourism, with an emphasis in Outdoor Recreation. And I’m a skier at heart.
Cambria: Well, that’s really cool. What did they say?
Max: Well, they said all sorts of things. Firstly, they talked about, well, funnily enough, the topic of price. They talked about if you’re not as into the skiing world as they are, who are constantly up on the slopes, you can just as easily rent equipment for cheap prices, especially renting from the Student Life Center.
Ben: You can rent skis, even, you can … and that’s pretty cheap. If you’re just trying to figure the sport out, you’re trying to get into it, or you’re curious about it, rent skis. That’s super cheap. Whatever you do, don’t listen to the gear fanatics of “Hey, this ski’s so much better than that one. You need to spend all sorts of money.” I mean, that’s just ridiculous. If you’re going to spend money, spend it on a nice helmet. Protecting the head is very important.
Kate: Renting is definitely a good option, if you’re only going to go a few times, or you don’t know if you’re going to like it. And I also think that Outdoor Adventures has like, great deals for students, in terms of rentals. So I think if people are like, “I’ve never been skiing before, I want to try this,” I 100% recommend renting first, seeing if you like it.
Ryan: Outdoor Adventures, if you are a University of Utah student, has great deals where it is approximately $15-20 for an entire set, which is quite inexpensive compared to several other ski resorts in the area.
Max: Incredible prices, and at that point, it’s not even an excuse to not go up there, because it’s not that much money. You’re spending more money on your Netflix … why you laughing? I’m trying to think of an example.
Cambria: What do you think I spend money on?
Max: I think you spend money on little … like, little models —
Cambria: Just little guys.
Max: Funnily enough, they also talked about your problem, Anna, in that you don’t have anyone to ski with. Both the Freeskier Society and WOLI have their own Slack channels and Discord channels where you can just shoot out a message, “Hey, is anyone going skiing? I want to save some gas.” Get up there, be with someone. I don’t want to go alone.
Ryan: If you’re a complete beginner and you want to get into skiing, you can join our Slack group chat and be able to message any of our community members about wanting to learn how to ski, or wanting to borrow any gear, or where to get the best gear, or what ski pass is best, or even carpooling to get back up, to get back into the canyons to go skiing.
Max: Especially for for WOLI, which gives an opportunity for women and nonbinary folks to have people to be with in the outdoors and feel fully safe. They have some great, great opportunities in that department.
Cambria: A little community that you can be a part of so it’s less scary.
Max: Can you imagine community in this day and age? I can’t.
Cambria: Now for all of these groups, do you have to have a base level of experience or skill, or will they just kind of take you and show you how the ropes, or how does that work?
Max: For the most part, the people I’ve met in these groups have been very open to different [skill levels]. They all started at a place of not being able to ski … namely, a lot of them started when they were like 5, but —
Cambria: But you have to start somewhere.
Max: You have to start somewhere. And we are all starting with the skill of a 5-year-old.
Cambria: Gotcha.
Max: And that’s okay.
Ryan: WOLI offers a few different levels, all the way from beginner to intermediate and advanced levels, different skiing options for our community members. Our main one that we do every spring is an Avalanche 1 course that is through U Explore on campus, and we have two female instructors that fly out, and they teach a full Avalanche 1 course in three days for our members, and it is significantly cheaper than any regular Avalanche 1 course that you would take outside of the university by about $500-800 cheaper.
Cambria: Now, hypothetically, if I were to actually engage in going skiing and all these things you’ve told me, where should I go? Like, what spots should I hit first?
Ben: So if you really wanted technical terrain, Snowbird and Alta up Little Cottonwood Canyon is the way to go. If you, if you wanted, you know, more mellow runs, or it might be a little bit more expensive, you go to Park City or Deer Valley. Those are, those are great spots. Even Woodward now is a great spot.
Kate: Yeah, Little Cottonwood Canyon has a lot more. They have more steeper terrain. Whereas Big Cottonwood Canyon, with Brighton and Solitude, they have a lot more of mellower terrain. And so it’s not like they don’t have the steep terrain. There’s just more of it at Snowbird and Alta.
Ryan: Or if you want to go really headstrong into learning how to ski for the season, I would recommend getting the Ikon Pass.
Max: All three of them brought up the Ikon Pass without me prompting them.
Cambria: What is that?
Max: Yes, it’s kind of an all-for-one pass you can get to have seasonal access to a bunch of different resorts in the canyons area.
Ryan: The Ikon Pass is a great pass for a beginner skier, or just anybody who’s new to the area, or anything like that. See different resorts and feel what is awesome for you. Each of those have a student discount with the ski clubs on campus.
Ben: The Ikon Pass now is a great deal if you wanted to go to almost every resort in Utah and then some, like if you were traveling to Japan [or] Europe … Ikon Pass goes there. If you’re a student, it goes for about $640 and for example, a season pass at Snowbird is about $500 so you could spend that extra little bit and go to have access to pretty much anywhere.
Max: Now, I’m not sure if I’d recommend the Ikon Pass to you guys, because that is still in the upper 100 echelons, but for people who do go skiing frequently, that is an incredible deal, especially if you get the worth price. I have many friends who 100% get the Ikon Pass every year because they they go skiing like 20 times during this deal, plus.
Cambria: Which would make it way worth it.
Max: And they can go to any resort.
Cambria: How does one spell Ikon?
Max: I-K-O-N. Thank you for checking me, Cambria. I think for the past couple years I haven’t been skiing, I’ve had this fear of going up on the hills. I have a fear of heights. I’m not sure if you guys know this.
Cambria: I did know this, actually.
Max: There you go. I have this kind of fear. And I can’t fathom how I gained any quality as a kid, because the thought of going up on steep hills just seems rather scary. But now, after talking to all these people, I have kind of an inclination to go back. I feel like it’s part of, you know, my Utah heritage, so to say. On recording this, I went to the Great Salt Lake for the first time in my life today, and it felt very strange to wait 20 years to actually —
Cambria: Go do the thing that we’re known for?
Max: Yeah, and I think skiing is also a part of that. And we have the greatest snow on Earth.
Cambria: That’s true. Thirty minutes from the airport is the closest ski spot.
Max: Well, you haven’t skied in every hill in the world, but can you confidently say in that case that Utah does, in fact, have the greatest snow on Earth?
Kate: The greatest snow that I have skied, yes.
Ben: And Utah’s got that reputation for having the greatest snow on Earth, just because it’s so light, like if you go to Europe, it’s very high pressure, and that snow can get very firm. You come to Utah, it’s days soft, it stays light. A lot of it has to do with the Great Salt Lake and the lake effect. I’d say Utah does have the best snow on Earth.
Max: Do you guys know the history of the greatest snow on Earth?
Anna: No, do you?
Max: I do. Funnily enough, I do. It was something coined in the in the ’60s by a magazine writer, and it kind of snowballed really quickly. Was actually based on the Ringling Brothers Greatest Show on Earth. There’s actually a big lawsuit involved. Oh, but they were protected under parody law.
Cambria: All right!
Max: So that’s a win for fair use, fair use. W.
Anna: It’s on all of our license plates.
Max: Yes. And actually there’s a professor here, Jim Steenburgh, who I’ve had a couple people I know take his environmental science classes, kind of rediscovered this magazine or as a pamphlet, or maybe it was just in the Salt Lake Tribune … it’s one of those three. Don’t worry. Don’t check it.
Cambria: Don’t fact check us.
Max: Don’t fact check us.
[Jim Steenburgh is the author of “Secrets of the Greatest Snow on Earth” and has a blog titled “Wasatch Weather Weenies.”]
Cambria: I fear you’re wanting to get us to go on a skiing trip with you.
Anna: Yeah, that’s the vibes I’m getting.
Cambria: To really test this out.
Ben: Do it, it’ll be the best decision you’ve ever made in your life. Go skiing. Doesn’t matter how good you are, how bad you are, just go out there and have fun being out in the mountains. It’s another experience.
Ryan: I think everywhere in Utah has just an awesome view when you get to the top, it’s like, usually you can see further — like at Brighton, you can see into Park City and Alta and Snowbird. You can see Timpanogos and further south. And I think that’s really cool, because usually you don’t see that same view with it all snow-covered, which I think is really cool.
Kate: There’s nothing better than feeling great, doing your turns and getting out there, and just looking around for a second instead of being too worried about how good you look and enjoying yourself. So a good groomer on a bluebird sunny day is just … chef’s kiss. It’s so beautiful.
Max: Guys, what if we went skiing? What’s the worst that could happen if we just plopped up some skis, went up to a big mountain and went down, you know? Showed our listeners that anyone — if we can do it, anyone can.
Anna: You’ve got a point.
Cambria: I guess … let’s hit the slopes?
Max: Let’s go!
Cambria: Woo!
Anna: Whee!
[sounds of snow and skiing]
Max: All right, guys, after a big, long, cold day of skiing in the winter wonderland … we’re back, and we have a lot to report on. Anna, how did we start our day?
Anna: We started our day by going to the Student Life Center to rent our gear and stuff, which was very exciting and fun. And they were very helpful.
Cambria: Shout out to the Student Life Center workers. They’re great. They were very understanding when we said we have zero experience, and they said, “Great. Here’s all the things you need to know. Go pick out stuff that fits. Have fun.”
Max: It really was perfect. We got boots, skis, poles. I got pants because I didn’t have the right pants. I also got a helmet because no helmet fit my massive head.
Anna: We got a discount because we’re U of U students!
Max: We did get a pretty — I think we got $20 off.
Cambria: Which is nice.
Max: So, first of all, we got three different orders of things, so already that’s gonna add up to a bunch. But then we got $20 off. So we went through all of that under $100 and I think divide that by three, it was at least like it was around $20, $25, per person. Which for renting equipment is pretty good.
Cambria: Is really good.
Max: For student discounts. And after that, we packed up my car. Somehow we were able to —
Cambria: We got it all in. We packed it in. We were like sardines in there, next to our skis.
Max: It’s true.
[in the car to Brighton]
Cambria: Hey! We made it! We’re all in the car. Very excited. How do you feel? You excited?
Anna: I’m so scared!
Max: Don’t be scared!
Cambria: This is a new opportunity. I’m very excited, and I’m gonna stay really excited up and until or I’m on the slopes.
[back in the booth]
Max: Cami, where did we go?
Cambria: We went up. Where did we go? We went up — hold up.
Max: Starts with a “B,” ends with a “righton.”
Cambria: Big … was it? But did we go up? I actually don’t know directions.
Max: It should have been Big Cottonwood.
Cambria: It was Big Cottonwood Canyon, right? That’s what I remember. That was important. I know where we went, to Brighton, but sort of the direction I was, like, I … Guys, here at Can of Worms, I don’t know directions. And that’s always been true about me, and probably always will be true. We went to Brighton.
[at Brighton]
Anna: We are all geared up.
Cambria: We are at Brighton, we have our skis. We have our passes. Max is scouting ahead to see where we’re supposed to go. We know that my cousin and uncle are here, and we will call upon them soon. And give us their sweet, sweet guidance. We have not yet put the skis on our — my feet. I’m afraid of that one, I will say.
Anna: I’m scared. I feel like I’m gonna, just fall down the entire thing.
[back at the booth]
Max: Yeah, it was surprisingly less busy than I thought it was. I think if you’re skiing Utah, you probably saw, there’s this video that was making the rounds that it got almost a million views, talking about the current state of the Utah skiing industry, a lot of stuff with overcrowding and the resorts not be able to [keep up]. And I think in Park City, they had worker strikes, a lot of business going on. And a lot of that has been worked out, and is continuing to be worked out as Utah skiing gets more accessible and has more eyes on it, more tourists … almost becomes like a theme park at some point. But with all that considered, Brighton wasn’t that crowded on a Friday afternoon, and it was pretty good for us three who were beginners. We didn’t get to run to anybody for the most part. Anna, could you tell me a little about your experiences?
Anna: So, I got on my skis, and our lovely friend and instructor, Carter, said, “Okay, now go forward.” And I went to go forward, and I immediately wiped out and flid down the mountain and crashed into Carter and Cami.
Cambria: Yeah, immediately crashed into me, knocked me down, popped out one of my skis. Carter stayed up because he is better at it, and I was laughing, really, really, hard.
Anna: Yeah. And I said, you know, I think that’s enough. Um, I think that was my skiing for the day. I’m good. So I just chilled out and I —
Cambria: Got some good recording.
Anna: Yeah, I got some good recording.
Cambria: Was cheering us on.
[at Brighton]
Anna: The other guys, Cami is making her way up a hill. She just — Yeah! Yeah, Cami! She just did it.
[back at the booth]
Cambria: Her support was totally great.
Anna: Had some good hot cocoa.
Max: Cami, how did skiing for the first time go for you?
Cambria: It was good. I was a little nervous. Well, I wasn’t nervous. I’m very confident. I was concerned about my ability to control myself. And let me tell you, I was not able to control myself at first, it was sort of like 5 feet of space that was like a gentle incline, like probably barely an incline of a hill that I had to be dragged up by Carter — shout out — who was very, very patient with us, as I couldn’t figure out how to get sideways up a hill. I eventually got there. And this was, again, just to the magic carpet and the bunny [hill], like just the really little … and I — it took so long, and by the end, I was laughing so hard and crying on the inside that it was really the hardest part. And then once I was up, I was like, “Okay, here we go.”
[at Brighton]
Cambria: Um, we’re doing good. We’re on the ski lift. Say hi Jam and Paul!
Jam and Paul: Hi Jam and Paul.
Cambria: This is my cousin and uncle, who have graciously joined us in their professional, and have been teaching me the ways of skiing. I’m doing great, as Max is yelling in front of us — say, hi, Carter!
Carter [from the distance]: Hiiii!
Cambria: Also here.
Carter: Looking good!
Cambria: Yeah, I’m killing — I’m pretty much a professional. I think we’d say. How do you guys think I’m doing?
Paul: You got down that last slope with only two falls? Is that right?
Cambria: Yeah.
Jam: No, one and a half!
Cambria: I saved one of them. I did recover.
Paul: Oh, yeah, that’s only one. Cross the threshold. And now consider yourself a skier.
Cambria: That’s awesome.
Paul: You turned left and you turned right.
Cambria: I turned left and right.
Jam: Consecutively.
[back at the booth]
Max: How long would it say you took you to, I guess, go down the bunny hill?
Cambria: The bunny hill, it didn’t take me long. Well, I went down a few times, again it was the getting around. The hardest part was the maneuvering. Because if you’ve never skied, you’re not used to having your legs move that way, and having the weight was a little interesting, and then trying to keep your skis from crossing. However, once I started getting a little more used to what actually is parallel skis than what I think, just by not looking … it got easier. And so every time. And so you can get it pretty quickly. And then by the end, we had my cousin and uncle come down, who go skiing pretty much every week, and they were helping me out. And by the end, I was able to do a run on, not a bunny hill, on a real run, not like hard, but like the one above bunny hill.
Max: What’s it called?
Cambria: I have no idea.
Max: The Majestic.
Cambria: The Majestic! On the Majestic of Brighton I was able to do a full run without falling!
Max: Without falling.
Cambria: I did rip my pants.
Max: But that was before that.
Cambria: It was before that. I did have a good fall, and —
[at Brighton]
Cambria: I ripped my pants.
Anna: Yeah.
Cambria: Which was fun.
Anna: Yes, you did.
Cambria: Um, really comic. In a comical like, like, truly right in the crotch area. It looks really funny. Didn’t go all the way through, it’s just the outer layer, but it is hilarious —
[back in the booth]
Cambria: Ripped my pants. And there is footage.
Max: There is footage.
Cambria: And we have it. And so maybe that’ll be out.
Max: Look at the social media for the footage of Cami, ripping her pants —
Cambria: Coming up to Max and being like, I need you to take your phone out right now and look at my ripped pants.
Max: It’s true. So go to The Daily Utah Chronicle Instagram, I guess. That’s going to be there now, because that’s I’m recording this right now.
Cambria: Go find out. Yeah.
Max: It’ll be there. It’ll be there.
[at Brighton]
Anna: They just, they just did another run, and Cami fell — but it was a good run. Max is doing really good. It’s good day on the slopes.
[back at the booth]
Max: I expected going skiing for the first time in better part of a decade to be in the same level as you guys. Something I did not expect was that the muscle memory I formed at age 11 would stick with me forever. And the moment, the instant I put on those skis, I was right back where I was years ago, and I knew exactly what I was doing and I was down for anything.
Cambria: Yeah, I recall we put on our skis, and then Anna and I were really struggling, and then we looked around, you were gone. Even Carter was like, “Where did Max go?”
[at Brighton]
Anna: They’re about to go up a little hill called the magic carpet. That’s a little escalator-type thing, and it’s a little bunny hill. It’s very chill. Once again, do not know where Max is, but that’s okay.
[back at the booth]
Cambria: And we had no … you were absolutely gone. And then by the time I was able to go down the magic, like the bunny hill once or twice, you appeared again, and it was great.
Max: I thought I knew where the bunny hill was, and I zipped right past it, down another hill towards where the Majestic was. Like, where’s everybody? And I had to climb back up that hill. It was a whole maneuver, but I eventually got back to you guys. So I got used to skiing pretty quickly. But the thing that I was even more terrified of was the heights. You’re going up a mountain. You’re gonna naturally be quite high up.
Cambria: And also you are deathly afraid of heights.
Max: Incredibly afraid of heights.
Cambria: Yeah, I had — there was like a passing thought when I was on the ski lift … the ski lift’s still fun, always fun, no matter what. Even if you’re struggling hard, it’s really fun to be just like, scooped up by a chair. And I had a passing thought that, I was like, “Oh, Max” … they’ll probably have to be up in the air and very tall and look around and realize how high.
Max: It’s true. But I can assure you that none of the times I went on the ski lift did I put the guard rail down. Which was a big point of pride for me. I don’t think I’ve ever done that before in my whole life, wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Until I took the high speed chair lift, which folks, if you haven’t been skiing, you might think that chair lifts are all slow going. Most of them are, but at Brighton, there’s one that goes, I think, 13, 14, 15, miles an hour, which doesn’t sound like a lot, but when you’re up in the air, that’s a lot. Starts like a roller coaster, picks you up. You’re going slowly, and it’s a long one. I’m there with like five other guys, including one guy on a bicycle, a ski bicycle. We’re going up, and then out of nowhere, it goes from zero to 100, zooms upward, like we’re gonna do a backflip —
Cambria: Oh my gosh.
Max: And it just keeps going that speed, up a giant mountain.
Cambria: Yeah.
Anna: Oh my gosh.
Max: It’s … I mean, it’s easier than walking.
Cambria: Oh, absolutely. It’s awesome. I love it. I love human ingenuity.
Anna: What’s a ski bike?
Max: So it’s a bike, but instead of wheels, they’re like, little skis, and it’s more of a tricycle. It’s more of like a ski —
Cambria: A skicycle?
Max: I guess. But then you don’t really hear that … a tri-ski-cycle?
Cambria: We’ll work on it. We’ll workshop it.
Max: A tricycle, tri-ski-cle …
Cambria: Triskicle! I like triskicle.
Anna: That’s good, that’s good.
Max: Also a plus: the air quality.
Cambria: Yes!
Max: A lot better.
Cambria: Air quality, it was beautiful!
[in the car]
Max: We have driven from Brighton down back to Salt Lake, and one thing is clear, the air is clearer.
Cambria: One thing is clear, the air is not.
Max: The air is not, the air is much clearer up in the atmosphere when you’re on top of a mountain and it’s got snow. Now we are back in Salt Lake. It is … the city is covered with brown smog and dust and farts, and it’s in this car. Our windows are up. It smells terrible.
[back at the booth]
Cambria: I got it. I was like, I understand. I get it, like I got it before. But being up there, I was like, I see what the allure of people going every single week [is] and also seeing it snow, and then being like, “Oh, let’s cancel all the plans that we have before and go skiing,” which is like the skier mindset. They’re like, “Oh, it snowed recently? Let’s just drop whatever else we were having planned today,” which I always thought was crazy. But I see. I ski.
Max: I think you guys talked with some people in the lodge, actually — while I was up skiing.
Cambria: Yes, we did. We stopped while Max was, you know, going crazy on that speedy lift. We found … we stopped for some hot chocolate, which was great. And then we talked to a couple of people who were just chatting like, “Hey, can we join your conversation?” They were great.
[in the lodge]
Cambria: All right, so we are here with two delightful individuals. Please introduce yourselves.
Audrey: Hey, I’m Audrey. Nice to meet you.
Cambria: Awesome.
Janelle: I’m Janelle.
Cambria: Are you from Utah?
Audrey: I’m not. I’m from, actually, from the south side of Chicago. I learned how to ski up in the hills of Michigan and Wisconsin.
Cambria: Oh, that’s awesome. Do you like there better than here?
Audrey: I like here better than there. The greatest snow on Earth.
Janelle: We moved here in seventh grade, and in my junior high they — I think they still do them, the ski programs. And so they’ll do like discount lift tickets and instruction and rental, and I begged my parents, right? So I did two years of that. I love Brighton because it has, in my opinion, the best local vibe, especially … Alta is a good local vibe too, but you can’t snowboard there, right? Yeah.
Audrey: Well, for me … for the military, we get great discounts. So we’ve got the Ikon Pass up here, and then up at Park City is the Epic Pass. So yeah, we get good discounts that way. But yeah, I mean, if you really love it, if you’re into that, of course it’s worth it, getting the pass price and paying the everyday price … but yeah, I would say it is worth it.
Janelle: Yeah, people are fun. You always meet new people on the lifts. Oh, and being in nature.
Audrey: For me, it’s mental health because of the military stuff. So this is like therapy for me, being outdoor in this beautiful scenery stuff, moving your body is the best thing that does it for me.
[back at the booth]
Max: I think even just if you’re not going to go skiing, going to the resort not only is free, but is quite nice. I’m probably going to be doing it again this season, just to hang out and possibly go snowshoeing, just to kind of be in the area, to be in the woods. It’s truly just a really wonderful place to be at this time of year that’s so accessible to us.
Cambria: That’s such a great point that you don’t have to be up there to ski. You can just be up there to be. And it’s beautiful.
Max: Don’t ski, be.
Cambria: You don’t need to ski, sometimes you can just be.
Max: That’s a great shirt. But it’s B-I.
Cambria: You know what? We’ll work on that one. We’ll workshop it.
Max: We’ll work on it. This will be merch.
Anna: This will be the first Can of Worms merch.
Cambria: Every episode has its own merch? That actually would be kind of fun.
Anna: Five shirts will be made.
Max: Stickers?
Cambria: Stickers would be good.
Max: Episode-ly sticker?
Cambria: Episodic sticker? That actually would be fun.
Max: Anna, would you recommend people go skiing?
Anna: Um, I can’t say much about skiing. I don’t know if I’ve had enough experience to recommend it, but, like Cami was saying, I think I definitely recommend getting up in the mountains and just being in that fresh, fresh nature and being around other people who also love the outdoors is just a really great —
Cambria: Yeah. And if you’re afraid that you will be such a noob, fear not! Because everyone there understands that you have to start somewhere, and they’re really supportive and nice and like, people will be shouting encouragements and tips, and going up the magic carpet the workers up there [are] like, “Nah, you got this don’t worry.” Like, everyone there is really positive and wants you to learn and have fun. And so it’s great.
Max: Yeah. And if you live in Utah, you probably know at least one skier that’d be willing to help you out. Or maybe you know of organizations that we’ve talked about in this episode, like WOLI, like the [Freeskier Society], who can help you, possibly. Who you can carpool with up the mountain, and who can lend your hand whenever you fall down and knock down several people. Well, that wraps it up.
Cambria: Thank you for tuning in to this episode of Can of Worms. We hope you’ve learned something and had a good time with us. Tune in next time for our next episode!
Max: Which will be about … [Max makes a cricket noise] See you guys.
Cambria & Anna: Bye!
[sounds of skiing]
[outro music]
Producer: Cambria Thorley // c.thorley@dailyutahchronicle.com
Host: Max Rhineer // m.rhineer@dailyutahchronicle.com
Host: Anna Rollins // a.rollins@dailyutahchronicle.com
