Alexander: The Nightmare of Being Non-Mormon in Utah
September 24, 2020
As a military kid, I’ve had some incredible and enlightening experiences. Living in Europe for seven years was life-changing. The people I met held various beliefs and came from a range of cultures. Moving back to the United States was extremely hard. I wasn’t used to such similarities among every person I met. But if moving to the U.S. after my time in Europe was difficult, moving to Utah was nightmarish. I was not prepared for the culture shock of living in the heartland of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
In Utah, it seemed like everyone was the same. Same beliefs, same religion, same faces. Already appalled by the utter lack of diversity, I was extremely disoriented by the fact that a majority of my neighbors, classmates and teachers were LDS members, and that they often pushed their beliefs onto me. I had never experienced that before. Whether it came down to my clothes, my future desires or my dream job, I was constantly bombarded with questions, criticisms and LDS beliefs that were not my own.
I am not the only non-LDS person in Utah who has experienced this treatment. This behavior is incredibly unwelcome and often tiresome. We non-members are sick of it. Practicing Mormons need to do a better job respecting other Utahns’ religious values, and not imposing their own.
Utah is its own little bubble. Society here is essentially homogeneous, with 90% of residents being white, 62% being LDS, and 54% being Republican. Of course, the data might vary in different parts of Utah, but the glaring fact is that Utah is not that diverse — and that the homogeneity of the culture here leads to a conformity of beliefs.
Where I lived, in Plain City (an incredibly convenient name for the type of people who lived there), I couldn’t just go with the flow. I had to blend in, religiously and demographically. Teachers and classmates seemed appalled upon learning I was non-LDS. I was greeted with gasps and stares, which only made the situation worse. When I asked questions about the religion, whether about wards or temple garments, I was regarded with suspicion or ridiculed. I felt like an outcast. I white-washed my appearance, straightening and toning down my curly hair. I changed my vocabulary and altered my dress to coincide with conservative Mormon values. I even suppressed my own religious beliefs for fear of disrupting the status quo. My Mormon friends didn’t realize how difficult it was to be a double minority: Black and non-LDS.
I eventually grew to understand that not all members of the Church are equally pushy and that the infuriating behavior of one does not equal the behavior of all. Some of my closest Mormon friends opened up to me, as I did with them, and we were able to share our beliefs, values and experiences with mutual respect. But even with that new understanding, I knew that the extreme missionary culture of Utah Mormonism needed — and still needs — to change for the better.
I’m not entirely sure why some Mormons feel the need to push their beliefs onto others. Maybe their doctrines and missionary stance explain their eagerness to preach their gospel to whoever will listen. Maybe the continuous affirmations of LDS elected officials and prophets perpetuate Mormon culture. Maybe the historical roots of the Church in Utah elevate Mormon practices. But the LDS Church and Utah culture continuously allow and encourage members to hold other people to their own standards, specifically to preserve their own religious and moral comfort (or to keep their prejudices intact).
The devastating impact of this lack of diversity is that we lose a broader sense of a multi-faith, multi-racial community. America thrives and continues moving forward on diversity, new ideas and different perspectives. But with Mormons dominating Utah culture, we can’t even express new ideas without fear of being ridiculed or silenced. We won’t be able to move forward.
That isn’t to say that the LDS Church doesn’t contribute to society. Mormons, even with their domination, have made Utah an incredibly safe and wonderful place to live. But for everyone to feel safe, we need to be valued and respected, especially when it comes to religious and personal beliefs. For practicing Mormons, that means easing up on preaching to or pressuring your unsuspecting non-member neighbors. For non-members, it means relaxing and not criticizing your Mormon friends for their beliefs. If we can find it in us to respect our fellow Utahns’ beliefs, we can make our communities safe and welcoming for all of us.
Sandy • Sep 4, 2024 at 7:34 pm
The worst thing Utah is , that it is a cultural bubble. I think Mormons that live in other states are more open minded and more accepting of other cultures and religions. Being so isolated and dominant in Utah has kind of warped their religion here. Sometimes my children were not allowed to play with other kids because they were not Mormon. Some adults here try to isolate their children so they aren’t exposed to any other ideas, only Mormon ideas. It’s not a good way to learn critical thinking or to become accepting of other cultures. Mormons in Utah are often judgmental of others and act condescending. All the while they complain how persecuted they have always been. I believe that since they do live in a bubble they are not good at self reflection or being self aware. Over all , I don’t think their religion is a problem , I think that living in a bubble is the problem.
Germain • Aug 28, 2024 at 4:30 pm
I am also military and not Mormon, some of our neighbors are very welcoming but one family in particular is so overbearingly aggressive about us not being Mormon that they keep suggesting we move on and the husband has verbally and nearly physically assaulted my wife several times over things that contriduct with his beliefs. They have also become very intrusive about our plans for our home when we move again and are very insistent that we are not allowed to rent it and MUST sell to a quality Mormon family so they can avoid the unpleasantness that our presence had caused them as we were not believers. This state is a cesspool and needs to wake up, the average IQ in Utah can’t be above 50 with the ignorance and intolerance that they display.
Melinda • Aug 26, 2024 at 2:58 am
I have found people at church to be unaccepting of me (maybe it is because I am an attorney?) since I became over 45. So, I no longer attend.
I have observed and experienced that people are disrespectful towards single people in the church. The general authority talk about that a few years ago hasn’t fixed the problem.
I am sure that there are some happy married women somewhere in the church, but it seems that the ones I encounter are not. They always seem to be putting me down and telling me what to do, as if I am always doing something wrong, even though I am not. They are very negative, downing, fault-finding people. At least, that is my experience with the married women in the church.
Not putting myself on video at a memorial service on zoom is not a crime. Yet, I was told off by a few of the married women on there afterwards. I wasn’t even going to go and was new on zoom. It was at the very beginning of the pandemic.
I also told by my parents’ bishop’s wife to “grab a vacuum” when I arrived at the church in suburban Chicago with my mother for the wake and funeral of my father at the church. I had flown in to take my mother there and by with her. I do not understand to this day why the bishop’s wife tried to put a vacuum in my hand. Nothing like, “hi, Laura,” or a smile, or “it is good to see you.” Growing up in that ward, she knew who I was and could have been nice but was instead b*tchy. Right away, “grab a vacuum.” I did not want to leave my mother’s side and did not feel right about vacuuming. I had also been told by a doctor to never vacuum because of my back and neck problems. I still have to do it anyway, but really, I am there for my dad’s funeral driving my mother there, and she wants me to leave her and vacuum the already clean-looking church carpet?
No common sense.
Then, after the funeral two different people came up to me not to say hi but to say I should spend more time with my (very abusive, little do they know) older sibling. Taken aback and not wanting to tell them ALL of the problems I have had with that sibling, I just said okay.
I was too people-pleasing.
If the married women in the church were happy, they would not be criticizing my every move (my sister and the others who have stayed in the church do that), and they would not be miffed at single women’s presence at church in their wards.
I have been told that the wards that are not singles wards are just for married people. I tried to tell this person that the wards are for everyone, but she said no, if you are single, you must attend a singles ward. The exclusivity actually works the other way. Married people are not allowed to attend singles wards, unless they have a calling to be in that ward to serve there, such as bishopric member.
My friend was told to move into a smaller house, by the relief society presidency of her prior ward. The justification for this, even though she could afford to live where she lived, was that she was single so should live in something much smaller.
She then moved, and she was the minister assigned to be my minister in my last ward. That is how I knew her. She had moved to a town home in the ward boundaries. “Ministering” has replaced the visiting teaching program, in case a reader does not know what that is. I never actually met her. Everything was through primarily text and I believe one phone call.
She shared with me that she did not like living in her smaller house and that it was not enough room for what she needed to do.
Last time she texted, she was making plans to move back into a bigger house again. And she was resentful that women (“sisters”) in her prior ward had convinced her to move out of their ward and into a smaller house.
Because I no longer go to church, I can relate to “The Nightmare of Being Non-Mormon in Utah.” I am treated pretty badly for not actively attending church, by my neighbors. Same thing in the last area I lived.
I was driven out by LDS people in my area in Sandy, given death threats, even though I did nothing wrong. I did absolutely nothing to them. I did not hold them accountable for any of the crimes committed against me either, even though I have most of them on video.
Talking to the bishop about it did not help. I forgot that women who are victims of anything in Utah tend not to be believed, even if we have hard evidence. People refuse to even look at the evidence, and thus they can shrug it off. The bishop and his counselor (they hold bishop appts. with the bishopric counselor too if you are a woman) treated me like I was making up what was happening to me. I had no reason to lie to them and was telling the truth about everything. I could have shown them the videos if they had been willing to see them.
The bishopric member KNEW that I was bitten by a large off-leash dog across the street from his house because he was there (and I had it on camera and so did the ring camera of the perpetrator) and did not help to get the dog off of my legs even though I called out for help during the incident. He came out of his house and instead of helping me drove right past us (me and the dog).
I was surprised to see him in my meeting with the bishop and even more surprised that he was in a bishopric. I also know for a fact that he knew about some of the harassment because he was outside when a neighbor was harassing me one time while I was turning left from the mailboxes area to go home.
I had to drive there because of that off-leash dog in particular.
He later took over training and care of that dog and to test it while I was putting my trash out, he let go of the leash. He then had to grab it quickly again because the dog was very aggressive and was charging straight toward me. This scared the life out of me. I did not deserve the first set of dog bites and certainly did not want another round.
That man was a bully. He knew I was telling the truth and because he was part of it, did not want to admit what was going on.
It was mostly LDS people in my immediate vicinity, according to the ward list, and LDS folks did participate in the stalking, harrassment, and vandalism that was committed against me to get me to leave. They said to me that that was their goal. I always dress very modestly, so it could not be anything to do with what I wore while I lived there. I also never hit on any of their husbands or live-in boyfriends.
I had felt very confident and happy in that home and did not want to leave. I have foot and ankle injuries from my move.
I had a lovely washer and dryer there–my own–and now I live in a place where it is provided by my landlord for my house, so mine is being stored, but the landlord’s dryer does not work nearly as well, and the washer is rough on the clothes. I also have more stairs here, and it is much farther from and to work. I work in Sandy and now, due to affordability, live in Lehi.
Nancy Dalton • Aug 26, 2024 at 1:18 am
I believe this is a well-written opinion article. We have not all had the same experiences.
As an LDS woman who does not fit in at church in the least anymore because I have no kids and am single and do not own my own home (I am not rich), going to church is hard because people are shunning and the opposite of nice. Especially other women, however, they turn their men against me. I receive a lot of unwanted attention in my communities lately.
I dress according to LDS standards and and live my life according to the gospel and LDS standards as well. I just don’t go to church. There is a serious lack of empathy and kindness and of basic Christian values in the behavior of active LDS in my community where I live now and where I lived last.
It is literally satanic. I served a very successful bi-lingual LDS mission. I used to be very active when I was young enough to be in singles wards. I was told by ladies in regular wards that I had to (was required to) attend singles wards if I am single and that their wards were only for married people.
I knew that was not true, even though according to these women it was doctrine, because as an LDS missionary we had people come to the ward whether they were single or not. I did not serve in a single ward. I actually brought many single men and a few single women into the church, and some married people and their children as well; they were all baptized. They were not outcast from their wards in CA because they were single, and there was never any such thought. Inclusiveness was what we were all about. And a good feeling and spirit. The spirit of kindness and Christlike companionship and fellowship.
It must be my age now and maybe because I do not attend church or pay tithing that causes people in the communities of predominantly LDS, where I last lived in Sandy and now where I live in Lehi, to not only harass me, make up and spread preposterous lies about me that did turn people against me, follow me, release large biting dogs on me on several occasions (I have scars), yell at me, incite others to violence against me, and vandalize my home on several occasions, and because I don’t go to church anymore.
The reason I never attended in my last area or this one (even though I have wanted to go) is because of how the Mormons are in both areas toward me. I have been afraid to be around them any more than I have to or to give them any personal or identifying information about myself because I received death threats while I lived in Sandy, and here in Lehi already some neighbors are talking about messing with my trash can (and did that), damaging my air conditioner (in Sandy this was done twice, and I paid to fix it, I had it on camera but did not want to send my neighbors to prison so did not get them in trouble for it).
When I lived in Sandy, I received death threats from some of my LDS and non-LDS surrounding neighbors. They put out halloween decor 4 months early and Halloween was a day of heightened torment and verbal death threats from them. “Kill her, burn her,” the teenagers chanted. I heard no adult tell them to stop. Also, a bishopric member heard me calling for help to get a dog off my legs when I was getting my mail, but rather than helping me, drove out of his driveway and past me and the large dog that left bite marks / welts. And now I am continually threatened by men who live three townhouses down from me who sit in their driveway. The next door neighbor yells at me that I am too loud every time I use the microwave. The man who lives behind my house across the alley with his wife yells repeatedly at me if I have any kind of light on in the house at night, even a lamp, that it is too bright for him, even though I have blinds closed all the time.
He and the lady next door to me–both mormon–have turned the gang members on the block against me. Apparently I am such a pain because I use light and a microwave that I have to be “kicked off the block.”
The mormons have turned people of all races here against me. And they have started rumors that I don’t like their dogs. I love dogs, so I don’t know what they are talking about. I picked up the mormon guy who lives behind me’s dog’s poop already and though I do not like that, I did not report him to hoa or animal patrol for doing that once. I might consider reporting if he does it again because he did it intentionally–he called me an “old maid” yelling it from his window three times that day when he left the poop. It was intentional. I see other people with lights on in their homes at night, including my next door neighbors in the next building and many people across the street in front of my home.
But, the active LDS whiner who lives behind me yells at me that he cannot sleep. And now his wife does that too. And they have all made it clear that they want me to move, even though I just moved in, am quiet, and keep to myself, by saying that to me, yelling it from their houses. I have never responded to any of them. I do not talk to them. When they leave trash on my lawn, I throw it away. When they mark my house with chalk for burglars, I quietly dab it off with water and a paper towel. I discovered the chalk markings after the burglars came here to my home in Lehi but found chalk on my lawn, left by the active LDS person who lives behind me, on a few occasions a few weeks in a row when I scanned visually the lawn on trash day to pick up any trash. I threw it away, and then within a few days, there would be more pieces of chalk on the lawn.
I have been yelled at by people on my block for starting to put up cameras for a home security system, even though what do they expect. They send burglars (only deterred into leaving by seeing that they were being filmed by the tesla in the garage), leave trash in the front and the back, yell at me a lot (this has settled down a little bit) especially the men who sit in the driveway, in weekend evenings (they have made up horrible lies about me, that I am having an affair with someone, etc., etc., etc. and they openly criticize my hair and said they want me to change it back to blond “so that there is at least one good-looking girl on the block”), broke the top off the drain hole cover in my front yard while yelling in the middle of the night (a group of them). I am a woman in my early 50s, not a “girl.”
And I have my own life. Get your own and leave me alone is what I would like to say to them if I were talking to them. Leave me and my life alone. They are trying to cause me problems. So, I remain silent and have never talked to them and likely never will. I fell up the stairs while trying to navigate them in the dark inside my home, for these awful neighbors who see nothing wrong with using lights in their homes but for some reason I cannot?
Also, other people have security cameras, I don’t understand why it is a problem for them for me to have security cameras, and not a problem to them for others to have them. Especially since burglars came here to my home specifically and not to their homes.
The harassing, bullying yelling by them is over many different things, and the latest if the cameras, which I just began to put up. I have them on audio recording yelling at me. At my last house in Sandy, I had audio and video of vandalism and neighbors yelling at me.
I noticed yesterday evening that someone had opened up my power outlet on the side of my house and torn off and stolen the hole overs in the bottom of it.
So, so far here physically they have done trash dumping in the front and back, drawn cover breaking, and opened and left open power outlet cover and stole two parts from that unit. Also, broke lid on my recycling can when I had it outside per the hoa rules for trash day, and threw a frisbee hard against my house while I was in my garage, and I heard and felt it, and it left damage to the paint. I guess all of these things are minor, but they are only doing it to me. I have lived here for nearly 5 months now.
I was advised by a retired police chief I spoke with to get cameras because of the burglars who came here. As I do that, my neighbors here have found something new to be critical of me over, the fact that I have cameras. I have heard them yelling about that after I put each one up. I don’t understand. Others here have cameras, in fact, there are about 7 or 8 pointing at my house that I can see from houses across my street. What is wrong with me having security cameras? They also complained when I sprayed for ticks outside (the HOA management company said that we are allowed to do pest control because they do not handle this).
These neighbors need to get lives and leave me alone. There is such a double-standard.
Phil Brandt • Aug 20, 2024 at 1:01 pm
It’s not just Mormons that annoyingly push their religious beliefs and culture on others. Every religion is guilty of urging their ‘flocks’ to proselytize, i.e., incessantly try to convert ‘nonbelievers’ to their cause. It’s what competing religions have learned to do to survive and to push their agendas.
Mormons, though, are particularly egregious in their pushy proselytizing — especially when they put on their magic underwear. Then…look out!
C-Note • Nov 30, 2024 at 8:21 am
There is literally a wry large sect of a non-LDS religion in America that is commonly referred to as “Evangelical,” so yes. While Mormons may evangelize, they do not have a monopoly on annoying their neighbors of other faiths (or no faith).
Nic • Sep 4, 2023 at 12:11 pm
We relocated to Utah County two years ago. We were casual non-denominational Christians from the Seattle area with Libertarian views that lean slightly on the conservative side. Overall, we have liked the transition and prefer the way of life here… Most people are very friendly and helpful, it’s very family oriented, and the strong traditional values appeal to us since we have kids. The most surprising predicament we’ve encountered has been the non-LDS Christians attitude towards the LDS. I don’t know if it’s because they’re a minority here and so they feel threatened? Or maybe they feel more bold to be counter-cultural? I’m not sure what it is, but we were extremely turned off by the mainstream Christian churches we went to because every other sermon had something to do with railing on the Mormons. And our Mormon neighbors have been very nice to us… we felt bad listening to sermons like that. I just feel like if you’re not Mormon here in Utah, and you’re not willing to complain constantly about the Mormons, you’re going to have a hard time fitting it.
There are some things that are weird that I think stem from the heavy LDS influence: it is difficult to get alcohol of any kind, judgement about drinking coffee or tea (seriously, this has to be the strangest of the LDS rules that makes no sense), most everything is closed on Sundays, and there is a sense of everyone flying by the seat of their pants. I think maybe because they’re so busy with all their church commitments? Also, I have found some LDS members *DO* have a hard time admitting when they’re wrong or mistaken. They’re not mean about it, but some of them have a sense of infallibility. This can be annoying.
Shasta • Mar 26, 2023 at 5:48 pm
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I am concerned that I may be contributing to our unfriendliness. I grew up far away from Utah but I live in Utah now. I am appalled to learn children were forbidden to associate with non-LDS. I go on trips and associate with a lot of people and I do quite well but with people of my church I don’t blend in. People in the Church ignore me. Perhaps it is because I’m not a “Native Utahn.” Even in other states many of the Latter-day Saints are from Utah.
Not mormon • Oct 28, 2022 at 5:52 pm
Live In north eastern az very mormon dominated schools jobs every thing lived here all my life told my kids how it is they are dealing with it well gave the the ok to use the middle finger when needed
Debbie Dean • Aug 28, 2022 at 11:43 pm
Utah is basically a sociological study. What happens when thousands of people move into a wilderness, cut off from everyone else? The results are obvious. Many of these people think that social ideas are part of the church. There are many; males have more authority, coke is against our religion, the people here are more valued by God, if you aren’t from here (Zion) you are less. The list is endless. I’m a Mormon by birth, beliefs and heritage and moving here was a shock. Other Mormons in Pennsylvania told me not to do it. The most common advice was, ‘it would be a great place to live if it weren’t for the Mormons’. These people do not reflect our values. You just can’t live in Utah or Idaho to see what we do believe put into action
pro-lds • Dec 26, 2022 at 10:47 pm
Coke isn’t against our religion, you’re allowed to drink Coke if you want to, Utah is the promised land to the LDS members, they moved there because they were being killed and abused in other states, you’re not worth less if you don’t live in Zion, you’re very rude and you don’t even respect the LDS church.
NotMormon • Nov 20, 2023 at 10:35 am
Typical mormon liar. Coke contains caffiene which is forbidden by mormonism, just like education, civil rights and common decency. You can’t even stop lying to defend your religion.
Jet • Jul 31, 2022 at 8:41 pm
Going to be honest. Why the crap did your family move to Plain City? It is one of the most Mormon place in Utah. I only know of like 5 families in this town that aren’t Mormon. Besides that, it’s fair enough everyone seemed plain to you. If I didn’t know anyone I would probably think the same thing. Plain City now a days seems better as when you were there. Most of the time the teachers/staff won’t bring up religion that much.
Angela • Jan 17, 2022 at 5:35 am
If you don’t like Utah, MOVE! I can’t recall the last story I saw where there was a mass shooting in Utah. How about rioting, looting, etc? I’m sorry but you people complaining…try living in a democratic city and see how much you like Utah then.
Cathy • Jan 25, 2022 at 8:00 pm
There were many riots and looting: https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/5/30/21275674/salt-lake-city-curfew-protest-library-square-george-floyd-killing-police-car-herbert-national-guard
Mass shooting: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/18/boy-kills-four-utah-mass-shooting
I hate Utah because the local religion is prejudice against people who are not like them. I have never experienced prejudice until I moved to Utah and cannot wait to leave Utah!
Pono.N. • Jun 25, 2022 at 6:06 pm
There are definitely prejudices there. I lived in Provo for two years and experienced a lot but nowhere to the affect that I would say I hate autah. there’s a lot of pros to living there. Mormons need to relax for sure over there. it’s their gathering place. they were forced to travel there over 100 years ago because people literally raped and cold-blooded killed their women, men, babies…it was a massacre. In Texas Baptists are just as bad but cruelest. when they found out I was mormon I was thrown out of houses and told not to associate with their kids. I don’t hate the Baptist church. I still have many dear friends who go there. but I would never say hate. Utah is a beautiful state with problems like everywhere else.
EEE • Dec 26, 2022 at 10:49 pm
thank you for sharing. people think mormons are perfect human beings but they’re human too?? we all sin and we all are imperfect except for our Lord jesus christ
Sara • May 11, 2022 at 10:00 pm
You love Utah so much because it is controlled by the LDS church. Its conservative and rigid norms may be suitable for you but I prefer a more free will ideology. I do not even vote because there is no beating the United front of the LDS church.
JayCee • Jan 10, 2022 at 9:22 am
We recently moved from a small town on the coast of Washington state to Rexburg, Idaho. Yes. We knew it 90% LDS. We are not LDS. We are conservative followers of Jesus. Our children are 10 and 16. We were not prepared for the chasim between LDS & non LDS. Our kids are straight A students and have always been regarded by others as well behaved and respectful. They have always made friends easily- regardless of religion, gender, color, sexual orientation.
Before my naturally curly headed 16 year old daughters first week at high school was over, a group of girls, who she thought were here new friends, told her that curly hair is a sign of having comitted many sins. She was asked to read a book about the beginnings of LDS. The high school is public and offers LDS Seminary. If you choose not to attend, it is well known. You are well received at the high school if you are LDS.
My 5th grade son has not experienced this level of haughtiness yet. I hope he won’t.
Think carefully before moving to a predominantly LDS community. They community is litter free and wholesome seeming but the challenge of being accepted is big.
Bob • Dec 28, 2021 at 4:45 pm
Whitewash your appearance? You look white and probably pass as white most of the time. Spare us the victim card honey.
Melissa • Sep 30, 2021 at 10:04 am
I have lived in Utah all my life. I have never known any place except Utah. I have been left out humiliated and treated as less than my whole life. I have been told by children I played with, my mom says we can not be friends. I have dated and ended up marrying a rouge LDS boy. He was always shamed for not going on a mission and dating an apostate. It ended in divorce and he married a good mormon girl. I have been in times of great poverty and referred to the church for food help. Wich I have been denied for not being a member. Yet they still send the stalker missionaries over to violate my privacy. I have tried to go to the church and visit with missionaries . But as soon as I ask why what where I am told they don’t know. I have never felt welcome in their church just stared at and shunned by all. I am sorry you had to experience the mormon wrath. I can not believe the disdain and self defeating behavior of most mormon fsithful. The lies their book tells them and when called out on anything they turn into defensive linebackers. Look within your own gospel the truth is there. I am no longer a pariah in this sea of faithful haters. Because I will not allow them to determine my self worth. I am a pagan witch in a place where we are the devil. But the funny thing is that their leader uses many pagan beliefs in their gospel like the hag stone the scrying of his hat and the theft of masonic rituals. Look into and question everything instead of just believing what they tell you to. Yes living in Utah has been very hard for me. I can say it has taught me exactly what and who I do not want to be. And as soon as someone like Lori Vallow starts preaching their trutha it is we don’t believe in this. It is kind of funny some of us non believers know more than members do. I am told I am going to hell and I am the devil. Well good cause I don’t believe in either. Good luck in your delusions people.
DR • Nov 5, 2021 at 10:31 am
Glad you are not a good White racists 😊
Helen Ann Rudinsky • Sep 6, 2021 at 10:31 am
I am thinking about moving to SLC. I am a conservative, evangelical Christian, so I am ok with the Mormon morals and family oriented lifestyle. During my college years I worked at Alta Ski Resort near Salt Lake and never experienced any problems with Mormons, not sure if there were any Mormons there. My relatives on my mom’s side are all Mormons. I have never had any problems with them although they would probably be happy if I converted to Mormonism. My question now is how would SLC be for my son, a 14 year old? I am considering a private Christian High School for him because I heard as a non Mormon, he might be excluded from parties and social events in a public high school. I am also concerned about the public schools in SLC and anywhere in the US because they are pushing Critical Race Theory, Transgenderism etc. Would my son be able to have a normal life as a teenager is SLC? Would he be able to get a fast food job? Participate in sports, camps etc?
I would love to move to SLC because of relatives close by, right now where we live we have no relatives near by, we are all alone, but I am a little hesitant. Many of my relatives are non-Utah, no BYU Mormons, so they experience problems in Utah as well.
Dan • Nov 24, 2021 at 6:44 am
“are pushing Critical Race Theory, Transgenderism etc”
Pushing? You act like its a drug being handed out… Its just information on how to treat other people DIFERENT to you with respect and to understand. You say it like its a disease you’ll catch! I’m reading all this as as someone living in England who has never been to the west of the US. (Only visited NY) And i must say im so grateful to live in such a liberal place… as most of the US sounds like its brainwashed and disrespectful to most people and beliefs 🙂
Paul • Apr 12, 2024 at 10:34 pm
Don’t do it, don’t move to SLC.
DR • Aug 29, 2021 at 9:52 pm
I grew up in Utah as a non-Mormon and I had a very similar experience. Many Mormons are very rude and super self absorbed. Just this weekend I was at a soccer game and during the entire first half (35 minutes) I had to listen to the couple right next to me FaceTime their missionary and talk loudly about how many people he was about to baptize. It was so rude, I just wanted to watch and cheer for my kid and I had to listen to that garbage.
Aaron • Aug 7, 2021 at 1:44 pm
This is clearly a hit job and reveals much more about the writer than Utah or LDS. Contempt for the lack of diversity? Why even bring that up as if that’s the peoples fault or why not point out that’s partly because we were not big on slaves? So everywhere else is to be praised for its diversity because they were big on slaves?
This is a person so insecure and annoyed at things that don’t fit her character and skin color that she can’t think more accurately and this much later still inclined to feel this way…? Pretty crazy. Also, when she does not point out fact that most LDS are not like this (and I think almost none are with non LDS in manner she describes) it makes me wonder the accuracy of her account about the ones she says were…
Yes, LDS can be earnest in sharing the gospel and some can even be over zealous (but thats highly limited). If they know you’re not interested its almost unheard some psycho keeps “pushing” the gospel on you. I am just not buying the picture she is selling.
Also, Europe is a completely different beast and religion tends to be more a tradition (a dying one) verse a heartfelt belief you try and live by everyday. I have a lot of criticisms of LDS too (from within the flock) but this I do not buy and there is a lot more good to point out.
We could go to any culture or country and find something to complain about; India, Africa, Russia, etc and LDS all over the world go on missions to these places and usually love it on various levels. I think she is totally missing the extent to which Utah and it’s people is a very special place.
Human beings no matter where you go have flaws and yes LDS can be better as can everyone else. Also, this is NOT some knee jerk reaction in defense. I am simply telling you your picture is not accurate.
If you ever see portions Jazz twitter stalk LDS people and try and defame and incite things against them and how pervasive it is thats a far bigger problem than any LDS going around and supposedly persecuting non LDS. The LDS bigotry in Utah IS ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING.
Its only place in the world you can display this level of bigotry and it be largely accepting with no pushback. Thats not how the church teaches its members and LDS tend not to be combative and are self conscious about looking as bad as some of the world at times has seen them (one of my criticisms of LDS is that. Weak kneed)
The LDS bigotry is everywhere in Utah. The fact is in every culture and every faith you can find things that appear or are horrible and flawed human beings. I implore all of you to watch Jazz twitter closer. There are hundreds of accounts (and more) and some are more regulars that if you mention Danny Ainge, Jabari Parker, Yoeli Childs, Jimmer Fridette or Jazz assistant coach who is LDS joining the team or the assistant becoming head coach they go nuts.
To such a degree that if it was black people being done to the outrage would be from coast to coast. Imagine as an LDS member living in Utah and being treated this way and knowing the bigotry towards LDS is far more acceptable than towards in any faith where that faith has a stronghold.
So determined are they that most make up lies EVERYDAY about LDS people and the church. THAT IS A VERY STUNNING SITUATION that would not be allowed in almost other place. In Israel there is pushback. In Muslim countries you’d get straight punished. In some parts of India if you were persecuting and doing that to Hindus you would have very serious problems as in Buddhist strongholds.
Again, watch much of Jazz twitter. LDS if you don’t believe me set a separate account and TEST it out. Every group of people have made mistakes. The United States and every government on earth has done so. I think the LDS Church has made great strides to understand things better and demand its people be better.
Its time for the politics to stop and the real purveyors of poison to cease their contribution to what over the next 70 years is going to become a very UGLY situation if they keep spreading these lies and exaggerating about the other things.
And LDS, STOP BEING SO DANG NAIVE! You appear as the most naive people sometimes, I know in part because you are so self conscious about church history and want a good reputation (the Lord isn’t concern with that=gathering of elect, of world) and you want to be good to be people and on balance (humbly) you are better to other people than that of any other faith.
Big Frank • Dec 22, 2021 at 9:38 am
The LDS are persecuted in Utah and proof is in twitter feed of the Jazz? Given the high percentage of LDS is local in and state government in Utah it’s surprising that they have tried to stop the persecution you describe. Best of luck to you
Carol • Jun 1, 2023 at 7:24 am
I disagree with your statements that the LDS does not encourage bigotry. First, I never said the Mormon religion was nuts. I said domestic abusers were nuts. (And this is important because??? Even one woman showing descent can’t be found or tolerated?) The congregation– because I was a minority and female viciously shunned and harassed me and my family for years on end– doxxed me, stood up for rapists, bigots, abused of any kind, and acts as a catalyst for unjust fascist interests.
In many years, they have committed countless crimes claiming male abusers are victims as an excuse for everything wrong that they do. There isn’t an offensive name that Mormons haven’t called me. They shunned me, attacked me pregnant, and have repeatedly attempted to take my son away for talking back to a man and enforce no contact with me for mock apostasy. They have never empathized with abused women, particularly rape victims, or even suggested being humane to me or anyone else leaving. They are intolerant and they typically don’t care about anyone. I have a kind Mormon friend, but she is by far the acception, and she was threatened with losing her kids for saying I was actually abused. They run an abuser network, more seriously than race, is the churches total dedication to supporting abusers and complete lack of empathy for abuse victims.
If you want to be told that you caused it to happen to yourself, you can’t talk back to a man, and you are worthless if you think you are equal to a man, this is the church for you. They break all sorts of laws trying to injure women and that is nuts. They have zero empathy for females and no remorse, at least, the leadership doesn’t treat them humanely, but don’t we all know this? What’s nuts is frequently no one cares. Why bother sticking your head in ground. It is not shocking. Everyone knows that Utah has a female rights problems. How could it not? Pretend this and pretend that. Utah has a violent history regarding people defecting. They are not exactly empathetic towards females who feel oppressed. If you have an excuse for it, well, that’s nuts too, since it is totally unnecessary. But whatever…they are going to do what they do because people don’t want the realization that the society was founded on a lie in regard to women and their role in the cosmos. If you wake up, you can’t forget. That is why they do it. It is easier to ostracize others or a particular person than change an entire way of life. I don’t blame people for wanting to stay the same but it is nuts to injure people who are upset about oppression because they did wake up. Nuts and a waste of time…
Gerard Blakeley • Aug 4, 2021 at 9:44 am
I love Utah
Edward • Jul 26, 2021 at 8:00 pm
Great article. As someone who was born and raised here and is not Mormon, I experienced all of these situations and more. From time to time I forget about the prejudice and then I remember the fact that my in laws do not want a relationship with my children because they are not Mormon. This article is a good reminder that not much has changed.
Tom • Jul 25, 2021 at 11:52 am
Hello CJ Alexander,
Please ignore all those defensive, negative comments about your article. I am LDS, and I have absolutely no issue with your article. I don’t understand why some people get so defensive and insulted about your article. I think it’s valuable feedback about our Faith. Thanks for sharing.
Alison • Jul 22, 2021 at 9:21 pm
I left the Church as an adult and became a born-again Christian.
Much of what has been said about the mormons is true.
I love them, but I am glad to not be a part of them anymore.
My mormon family has no interest in me because they believe I am lost, which is quite funny since my life revolves around the true teachings of Jesus and I speak more of Him than any mormon ever does.
They are very close minded and somewhat delusional, because of the pervasive pride in their hearts.
Dez Cadena • Jun 20, 2021 at 8:11 pm
To CJ, Alexander,
You’re lying (You=a troll). And, also a few of the commenters with their “made-up” anti-mormon hatred.
I am non-mormon and have lived here since 1987. Attended Jr, High, High School, and College in Salt Lake City. Not once, Not one time—did a member
of the Mormon Church “push their beliefs” on me. You wrote, “I was regarded with suspicion or ridiculed. I felt like an outcast. I white-washed my appearance, straightening and toning down my curly hair. I changed my vocabulary and altered my dress to coincide with conservative Mormon values. I even suppressed my own religious beliefs for fear of disrupting the status quo. My Mormon friends didn’t realize how difficult it was to be a double minority: Black and non-LDS.” No one FORCED you to be a “chameleon.” That’s an insecurity in you—NOT to be YOU! You are the most dangerous type of person (a pathological liar), and not sincere. You hid from your own race/culture, while hanging out with your “mormon friends.”
Another commenter goes on to say, that he was, “Thrown out of a gym for wearing a cut-off tank and jogging pants because I was not allowed to show my abdomen.” That’s absurd (and a full on lie). I played sports in all the schools I attended. I, and nor any of my teammates were ever thrown out of
any gym for showing our abs. These types of stories are very “transparent,” and have filled the pages of Newspapers/Magazines etc., in Utah and beyond for decade after decade. They are also filled with hatred towards a church/religion that you just don’t like. And that’s okay. You don’t have to like the religion and the culture, or the people—just don’t lie about your experiences because of your anger and rage. I don’t believe in the religion, but I have lived my life here in Salt Lake, and NO ONE stopped me from me being anything that I wanted to be.
“Utah is not that diverse.” Wow! You have to look up stats for that. I think EVERYONE in Utah knows that Utah is not diversity central. Neither is Wyoming and most states West of the Mississippi River, nor most of New England.
Guess what I can do as an adult? And, guess what I have done? I can move to almost anywhere in the world. I can also travel to almost any place. So, you guessed it. I have lived in other cities, other countries. I have visited EVERY state in the United States, and have visited a plethora of countries.
Guess what you can do as an adult? The same things I just mentioned. So…
why would you live here, if you despise Utah?
The scariest thing about you—is that you want to be a Prosecutor.
Hmmm…will you have any Bias against Mormons?
Pleas stop the Lies.
Sara • May 11, 2022 at 10:09 pm
I am surprised how visceral you come across in your response. Your reality does not make his reality a lie. Your whole rant leaves me wondering. Why so angry and defensive.
Leslie • Dec 31, 2023 at 9:06 pm
I may be able to explain the differences in perspective between you and the author. I lived in rural Utah for eight years a few decades ago. It appeared there were a couple of ways to possibly buffer the intensity of LDS rejection as a non-Mormon. These included being an involved in and excelling at team sports, and/or residing in some of the more diverse areas of SLC .
I empathize with those individuals, such as the author, who are REQUIRED to move with their family solely for career purposes to areas where the tribes are well-established, homogenous, and incredibly tight. One example of careers with such transfer mandates would be certain government-related positions. I never did meet a transferred family who said “you know, we just plan to stay here in rural Utah because we fell in love with the area.” 😉
The silver lining of me observing such a degree of self-assured ignorance was the importance of respecting and accepting others. This is especially true if others are different from you. It’s not an easy lesson to always apply, but essential to finding common ground and lasting peace. This view helped me cultivate and maintain friendships with a wide range of people holding diverse beliefs, including those of LDS faith (outside of rural Utah).
sylvia mikey • Jun 14, 2021 at 3:36 pm
I had stepped away from the Mormon cult – and my family was in a big uproar about that and my mormon friends stopped talking to me. They were extremely emotionally abusive towards me. My family and members of the church would spy on me at work and where I lived at, and harrass me and those know to me. To the point I had to leave my job of 6 years to get away from ‘the circle of family violence’. Told no one where I had moved to – to finally find peace . It was stupidly crazy!!!
Cindy Jolley • Jun 12, 2021 at 8:30 pm
I am from the Big Horn Basin in Wyoming. The Basin has a long History with The Church. My family history is LDS. My uncle taught economics at BYU and lived in Orem. I’m very used to church in the Big Horn basin and many of my cousins have gone on missions. I never realized how close minded and intolerant they were until I saw a documentary about Michael Moore’s attempt to speak at BYU and their treatment of the organizer. They were outraged at his mere presence. Then I saw their treatment of Mitt Romney for not supporting Trump. I am flat out afraid to stop in Utah. They seem utterly hostile to anyone with an independent thought. Sad
Caris • Jun 10, 2021 at 9:12 pm
I agree. I live in Chicago but often visit Heber and Park City to see my dad who lives there. I am treated with the utmost disdain. Thrown out of a gym for wearing a cut-off tank and jogging pants because I was not allowed to show my abdomen, but clearly Mormon residents walked right past me with sports bras on and no problem. I do have a six pack, I’m an athlete and powerlifter, maybe that was the issue? Lol. I pull 425lb on deadlift so you’d think they’d want an athlete there, but okay. Anyway, greeted with non-stop glares from Mormon women whenever I leave the house. I dread going because I know how it’s going to be, literally like being in the movie Mean Girls x10. But I still go because I love my family. It’s utter insanity. Like being in the twilight zone. Love her piece here, definitely resonated with me.
Sara • May 3, 2021 at 7:06 pm
We moved to Idaho, Meridian. Every thing we read never stated how Mormon it is. We came from diversity and acceptance. We were not accepted in our highly mormon neighborhood. We had to move into a new community where all the Californians are moving. Retirees don’t care. But we have kids in high school. The schools are close to 90% mormon. Once they get to high school they no longer can associate with nonmormons. It breaks my heart we brought our boys into this. The last is about to graduate. We will be leaving Idaho. It is not right that a religion can run a state. They are not kind. They do not help others outside their faith. They have a disturbed affect missing free thinking. There is a huge divide in Idaho. I do believe the mormon
influence will dissipate with time. Kids are reading the truth of their beliefs online. It has jaded me. I just want to live where people can be free and not judged because we are not brainwashed by a multibillion dollar lie.
John Novak • Mar 20, 2021 at 4:00 pm
Catherine you say that lds people wish to preach the gospel to get more people into gods kingdom then are you saying anyone who is not a member of the lds church will not attain salvation that sounds a bit exclusively and people could get offended by someone taking that position all I can say for the most part. The lds church really does not respect other faiths nor do they care they only act like they care if another faith can be used to back up the validity of the lds church
Remember Catherine the lds church stands or falls on the testimony of a 17 year old boy named Joseph smith
Biblical Christianity stands or fall on the word of god the holy bible
todd • Mar 10, 2021 at 10:15 pm
The comments here reflect different ages. The difficulty is greater when you’re in school. I huge part of your classmates and teachers will have no interest in you or consider you someone that is worth their time. This is a time in life when people need friends and mentors who care and are interested in them. When I grew up I liked sports but the leagues were run through the wards so there was never an opportunity for me to participate. I worked very very hard with a few friends and got good enough to be on the basketball team but the two of us that were non-Mormon were rejected even though we were clearly good enough. Later in college we played in a league, and won every game against a team that consisted of the “best” players on our high school team. The games weren’t even close. I did become state champion in an individual sport where the coach was the only non-Mormon teacher in our school but all I really wanted to do was play basketball. I believe that for most non-Mormons really know what they missed out on because they just weren’t given the opportunities that Mormons are given. My advice is if you’re young and non-Mormon go to college out of state. It’s very hard to leave one’s family behind but when you do it you’ll realize that your finally free or I guess these days SLC and the U of U are OK for non-Mormons.
Shasta • Mar 4, 2021 at 10:40 pm
What I really don’t like in Utah is that it isn’t very pretty. It is so desert and so brown and I like greenery. A lot of people say it is beautiful, but I don’t think it is. The LDS who came in 1847 have worked wonders in beautifying the place–but still it is not that attractive. Also, I don’t care for the climate. It is too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. The water is also very hard.
Jason • Nov 24, 2021 at 2:34 pm
I live in Alaska you dont even know hard winters I am not LDS but I would rather live in a place with strong consertive values then a liberal trash can.
Shasta • Mar 4, 2021 at 10:33 pm
I am active LDS and I have spent most of my life in the Pacific Northwest (Alaska, Washington). I came down to Utah to attend BYU. After graduating from BYU I moved to the Bountiful, Utah area. I had a difficult time, even though I was active LDS. I might have seen things wrong. I wasn’t married and wasn’t even dating. I was troubled by the division between LDS and other Christian denominations. I found I wasn’t accepted. I didn’t wear the right clothes. Now I wore modest clothes–but they were not the right style. I also didn’t listen to the right music. I didn’t vote for the right candidates. I remember voting for a Democrat candidate who was LDS but I “should” have voted for the Republican candidate who was also LDS. This Republican candidate served several terms but I always voted against him. Fortunately he has retired. A year after my BYU graduation I moved to Washington, where I lived for almost three decades. I eventually married and then later, got divorced. I would hear of people moving to Utah and I wondered how anyone who lived in a place as nice as Washington would want to move to Utah. Eventually, the time came for me to move back to Utah. My mother was old.
I hope I am not unfriendly to those of another denomination or those of no denomination. I grew up with friends who were protestants and catholic. I’ve heard that in Utah some children were not allowed to associate with Non LDS children. That absolutely shocks me. There are many who belong to other Christian denominations who are much better than I am. there are those who are not Christian who are much better than I am.
President Gordon B. Hinckley was very concerned regarding Latter-day Saints who considered that our Brothers and Sisters from other faiths to be inferior. He spoke about loving all our brothers and sisters and yes, there are many who are inspired.
I will say I have a problem with some Christians who say this group or that group is going to Hell. The New Testament was written mainly to people who knew the gospel. There are many out there who have never heard the name of Jesus but would accept Him as their personal Lord and Savior if they had that opportunity.
Kevin • Feb 28, 2021 at 12:01 pm
I moved to Utah in 2019 because of a job offer that transplanted me from the south to the middle of the mountains. It was already a shock, but as I saw it was clean and safe, I thought people would be nice as the place, but I was totally WRONG!
I am living a nightmare since I moved to this place, which I’m soon leaving… Unfortunately, the pandemic came and slowed my plans. Otherwise, I would be already in a big city, where people know how to respect others and don’t treat them as invisible in the best case scenarios, or as some of them treated me, which I’d never would do to a human.
They don’t respect people that aren’t part of their cult, and that’s true! EVERYONE knows that.
If you’re over qualify, then be prepared because their jealousy is something out of this galaxy, for real… It doesn’t matter if you came from Harvard with awards. Once you’re not part of the cult, they will leave you behind and choose one of their members, always based on the fact, this member “deserve” that job better, because he’s a member and also because he made 6 children in 3 years, so he needs the job more than a professional does.
The only place non-mormons live a little less hostile life is in west valley. The members of the cult say a lot of bad things about the place… I even heard in a work environment two people dissing the place and saying, “Well, unfortunately, we need them to SERVE us, “… and I was like, “excuse me, serve you? Who do you think you are? You can’t even choose what to do in your life because you need to wait for your arranged boyfriend to return from his two years abroad to start reproducing kids… and you’re judging others?” of course, if I speak my mind out, we all here know what would happen. If they already do their best to destroy your chances, just for not being part of the cult, imagine then if you tell the truth right at their stupid and alienated faces. You become an enemy.
I don’t see any differences between them and Scientology, except in Scientology, people need to be smart or talented to be accepted.
I’ll soon leave this place and live in a normal place… They only need to remember that despite the fact all the people in their cult run the state, the state still is part of a country, the United States of America, which has a CONSTITUTION granting basic human rights and also OSHA, which says clearly that no organizations can discriminate people, based on their ethnicity, sexual orientation, RELIGION and more… to refresh their disturbed and brains washed minds about the regulations of this nation. This place is beautiful and safe, but these people make it ugly and impossible to breathe.
Once in a job, RH opened a position, and I was the only one in my team to qualify for it, but I ended not having the job because of a question that I answered wrong to the recruiter. This question was: Are you a member of the church?
They wanted me to answer yes since my answer was no! (Thank God), then they decided to hire another person, who not even had a clue about what to do and was later asking me how much I’d charge him to teach him the job…
I am not saying all the mormons are like that, but coincidently, ALL that I met or ever talked, are equally the same. I know many of them who can’t live this emotional slavery anymore and can’t wait to break free from the cult. To those, I really wish you all an amazing life, don’t worry about breaking free from this mental prison, you’ll find amazing and incredible people in your life, and you can live anywhere in this beautiful country we live. Believe me, there are places way better than Utah in this country, I’ve been there before, and I’m coming back. Be you! Be Free!
From the moment an organization treats other humans like low-class or second-class humans, or once you break free, they prohibit all the other members, including your own FAMILY, from contacting you or talk to you. It’s more than clear; this is not a religion, this is a cult, a diabolical one…
Serene • Jan 31, 2021 at 2:59 pm
We moved to Utah and while it’s clean and beautiful I’m ready to move on. From what I understand it’s calmed down significantly from the way it was back in the day, but of you’re an outsider, it’s still best as a place to visit. Oh, and I AM a member. I was baptized in Nevada. The church in Utah is very different. There is a rigidity or something. This is the only place me and my husband have lived for over a year with zero new friends. It’s kind of a shame. When we go. I will miss the beautiful canyons and like two people. I tried SO hard to love living here. I truly believe anyplace with a homogeneous culture wary of outsiders is not and will never be for us!
Janet Jensen • Mar 3, 2022 at 8:02 am
I am a Romney supporter and also a “Mormon” and appalled and saddened by the way our good Senator is treated in his own state. Shame on the “Trumpers”.
Delaine • Nov 12, 2020 at 2:28 pm
I too lived in Utah as a non-mormon in the 80s during high school and it was indeed a nightmare. I was bullied by my Mormon classmates for the offense of not being Mormon. And one instance my classmates accused me of plagiarism when I read a poem I wrote as part of an English class. When I responded that I swore to God that I wrote the poem the teach across the room grabbed my arm and told me never to take the lord’s name in vain in his class again before he shoved me outside of the classroom. It was enough for me to ultimately drop out of high school. I eventually moved and eventually not only finished high school but college and law school and am a practicing lawyer. My memories of Utah and Mormonism are awful
Wilt Wiltfong • Sep 25, 2020 at 4:02 pm
As a long-time observant (I carefully regard religious ritual) member of the Church, politically liberal, and inherently suspicious of authority, I’ve often felt excluded from the tribe. That’s on their shoulders. I’m where God wishes me to be. Stay the course and be the person you want to be. The devil take them if they don’t have a sense of humor. 🙃
Lorrie Creamer • Sep 25, 2020 at 1:16 pm
Growing up a non Mormon in Utah, I experienced the same things you did, plus more. Then I ended up marrying a man from a very large Mormon family. It was bad enough at first, but when we had a child that I had no intention of raising in that church, it was beyond any nightmare that I could imagine. You are correct that Utah lives in a bubble. Being a Democrat in this Republican run state is another nightmare. I think there is closer to 70% Republicans in this state. And being against Trump and for BLM is something that I have to be able to keep my opinion to myself or risk opening a can of worms in my husband’s huge family.
Tom • Apr 21, 2022 at 1:50 pm
You can always move to my home state of Colorado, where 85% of Metro Denver is democrat. Thank goodness I live in Colorado Springs where only 45% are democrat.
Carroll Brown • Sep 25, 2020 at 12:31 pm
Bless your heart! Moving to an area of Utah where there are primarily one religion is difficult. I being an Air Force brat understand moving every 6 months to 3 years growing up. My most culturally difficult move was moving from liberal Ann Arbor, Michigan to Montgomery Alabama (ultra conservative and mainly Babtist). Moving to Okinawa was not as culturally difficult. The good part is that it teaches us more when we are presented these opportunities. Unlike those who never move and aren’t exposed to different cultures multiple times, not just a mission, you have been blessed with helping make this world a better place. Thank you for contributing your thoughts. I admire your strength.
Catherine • Sep 25, 2020 at 9:59 am
You obviously had a wonderful experience in Europe. Have you lived all over Utah? It sounded like you had as you lumped all Mormons into one bunch, then you went on to forgive some for being over zealous to share their faith and standards and when they asked questions you thought that invasive. But you didn’t regard their privacy about certain aspects of the temple guidances. Not secret just sacred.
Toward the end you want everyone to respect everyone and be open to diversity. Have you lived in Salt Lake City?? Have you been to Park City?? Among the people that live there. Any smaller towns on outskirts? Heber City maybe?
Mormons love to share the gospel as you already know. They want everyone to be a disciple of Christ. This is a Mormon state, yes you said it yourself.
With all the protesting and whatnot going on in general Utah has faired pretty well.
What is it that you want to see changed? We do have diversity, we have crime as you probably well know and we have gangs and protests. However I’m grateful that this State doesn’t cater
to it.
It is a beautiful and peaceful place to live. You sound like you are missing what was, maybe if you look around you’ll see not all Mormons are the same as all areas are not the same. And be as accepting of others as you would want to be accepted.
Welcome to Utah and good luck with your studies. Ah that Is a job where you will have to be fair to all right!
Teri • Sep 25, 2020 at 8:35 am
And many are more open to Nonmembers I really enjoyed your article and completely understand what you are saying. I, myself am a military brat and have resided in Utah for decades, and am a nonconformist. Many of the Mormons are brought up with a very strict ideals of what is good and bad and don’t waver they’re opinions, however there are some that are more open and excepting of non Mormons. Throughout the years I have spent in Utah I have seen where there have been many positive changes
Vicki wood • Sep 25, 2020 at 8:04 am
I have never experienced this myself. I have Mormon friends, I have Republican friends. Most of my neighbors are both.
They still like me. They know I live and let live, and they do the same.
The world would be so boring if everyone thought the same way.
Where is the challenge it that.😁