Alexander: The Nightmare of Being Non-Mormon in Utah
September 24, 2020
As a military kid, I’ve had some incredible and enlightening experiences. Living in Europe for seven years was life-changing. The people I met held various beliefs and came from a range of cultures. Moving back to the United States was extremely hard. I wasn’t used to such similarities among every person I met. But if moving to the U.S. after my time in Europe was difficult, moving to Utah was nightmarish. I was not prepared for the culture shock of living in the heartland of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
In Utah, it seemed like everyone was the same. Same beliefs, same religion, same faces. Already appalled by the utter lack of diversity, I was extremely disoriented by the fact that a majority of my neighbors, classmates and teachers were LDS members, and that they often pushed their beliefs onto me. I had never experienced that before. Whether it came down to my clothes, my future desires or my dream job, I was constantly bombarded with questions, criticisms and LDS beliefs that were not my own.
I am not the only non-LDS person in Utah who has experienced this treatment. This behavior is incredibly unwelcome and often tiresome. We non-members are sick of it. Practicing Mormons need to do a better job respecting other Utahns’ religious values, and not imposing their own.
Utah is its own little bubble. Society here is essentially homogeneous, with 90% of residents being white, 62% being LDS, and 54% being Republican. Of course, the data might vary in different parts of Utah, but the glaring fact is that Utah is not that diverse — and that the homogeneity of the culture here leads to a conformity of beliefs.
Where I lived, in Plain City (an incredibly convenient name for the type of people who lived there), I couldn’t just go with the flow. I had to blend in, religiously and demographically. Teachers and classmates seemed appalled upon learning I was non-LDS. I was greeted with gasps and stares, which only made the situation worse. When I asked questions about the religion, whether about wards or temple garments, I was regarded with suspicion or ridiculed. I felt like an outcast. I white-washed my appearance, straightening and toning down my curly hair. I changed my vocabulary and altered my dress to coincide with conservative Mormon values. I even suppressed my own religious beliefs for fear of disrupting the status quo. My Mormon friends didn’t realize how difficult it was to be a double minority: Black and non-LDS.
I eventually grew to understand that not all members of the Church are equally pushy and that the infuriating behavior of one does not equal the behavior of all. Some of my closest Mormon friends opened up to me, as I did with them, and we were able to share our beliefs, values and experiences with mutual respect. But even with that new understanding, I knew that the extreme missionary culture of Utah Mormonism needed — and still needs — to change for the better.
I’m not entirely sure why some Mormons feel the need to push their beliefs onto others. Maybe their doctrines and missionary stance explain their eagerness to preach their gospel to whoever will listen. Maybe the continuous affirmations of LDS elected officials and prophets perpetuate Mormon culture. Maybe the historical roots of the Church in Utah elevate Mormon practices. But the LDS Church and Utah culture continuously allow and encourage members to hold other people to their own standards, specifically to preserve their own religious and moral comfort (or to keep their prejudices intact).
The devastating impact of this lack of diversity is that we lose a broader sense of a multi-faith, multi-racial community. America thrives and continues moving forward on diversity, new ideas and different perspectives. But with Mormons dominating Utah culture, we can’t even express new ideas without fear of being ridiculed or silenced. We won’t be able to move forward.
That isn’t to say that the LDS Church doesn’t contribute to society. Mormons, even with their domination, have made Utah an incredibly safe and wonderful place to live. But for everyone to feel safe, we need to be valued and respected, especially when it comes to religious and personal beliefs. For practicing Mormons, that means easing up on preaching to or pressuring your unsuspecting non-member neighbors. For non-members, it means relaxing and not criticizing your Mormon friends for their beliefs. If we can find it in us to respect our fellow Utahns’ beliefs, we can make our communities safe and welcoming for all of us.
Nic • Sep 4, 2023 at 12:11 pm
We relocated to Utah County two years ago. We were casual non-denominational Christians from the Seattle area with Libertarian views that lean slightly on the conservative side. Overall, we have liked the transition and prefer the way of life here… Most people are very friendly and helpful, it’s very family oriented, and the strong traditional values appeal to us since we have kids. The most surprising predicament we’ve encountered has been the non-LDS Christians attitude towards the LDS. I don’t know if it’s because they’re a minority here and so they feel threatened? Or maybe they feel more bold to be counter-cultural? I’m not sure what it is, but we were extremely turned off by the mainstream Christian churches we went to because every other sermon had something to do with railing on the Mormons. And our Mormon neighbors have been very nice to us… we felt bad listening to sermons like that. I just feel like if you’re not Mormon here in Utah, and you’re not willing to complain constantly about the Mormons, you’re going to have a hard time fitting it.
There are some things that are weird that I think stem from the heavy LDS influence: it is difficult to get alcohol of any kind, judgement about drinking coffee or tea (seriously, this has to be the strangest of the LDS rules that makes no sense), most everything is closed on Sundays, and there is a sense of everyone flying by the seat of their pants. I think maybe because they’re so busy with all their church commitments? Also, I have found some LDS members *DO* have a hard time admitting when they’re wrong or mistaken. They’re not mean about it, but some of them have a sense of infallibility. This can be annoying.
Shasta • Mar 26, 2023 at 5:48 pm
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I am concerned that I may be contributing to our unfriendliness. I grew up far away from Utah but I live in Utah now. I am appalled to learn children were forbidden to associate with non-LDS. I go on trips and associate with a lot of people and I do quite well but with people of my church I don’t blend in. People in the Church ignore me. Perhaps it is because I’m not a “Native Utahn.” Even in other states many of the Latter-day Saints are from Utah.
Not mormon • Oct 28, 2022 at 5:52 pm
Live In north eastern az very mormon dominated schools jobs every thing lived here all my life told my kids how it is they are dealing with it well gave the the ok to use the middle finger when needed
Debbie Dean • Aug 28, 2022 at 11:43 pm
Utah is basically a sociological study. What happens when thousands of people move into a wilderness, cut off from everyone else? The results are obvious. Many of these people think that social ideas are part of the church. There are many; males have more authority, coke is against our religion, the people here are more valued by God, if you aren’t from here (Zion) you are less. The list is endless. I’m a Mormon by birth, beliefs and heritage and moving here was a shock. Other Mormons in Pennsylvania told me not to do it. The most common advice was, ‘it would be a great place to live if it weren’t for the Mormons’. These people do not reflect our values. You just can’t live in Utah or Idaho to see what we do believe put into action
pro-lds • Dec 26, 2022 at 10:47 pm
Coke isn’t against our religion, you’re allowed to drink Coke if you want to, Utah is the promised land to the LDS members, they moved there because they were being killed and abused in other states, you’re not worth less if you don’t live in Zion, you’re very rude and you don’t even respect the LDS church.
NotMormon • Nov 20, 2023 at 10:35 am
Typical mormon liar. Coke contains caffiene which is forbidden by mormonism, just like education, civil rights and common decency. You can’t even stop lying to defend your religion.
Jet • Jul 31, 2022 at 8:41 pm
Going to be honest. Why the crap did your family move to Plain City? It is one of the most Mormon place in Utah. I only know of like 5 families in this town that aren’t Mormon. Besides that, it’s fair enough everyone seemed plain to you. If I didn’t know anyone I would probably think the same thing. Plain City now a days seems better as when you were there. Most of the time the teachers/staff won’t bring up religion that much.
Angela • Jan 17, 2022 at 5:35 am
If you don’t like Utah, MOVE! I can’t recall the last story I saw where there was a mass shooting in Utah. How about rioting, looting, etc? I’m sorry but you people complaining…try living in a democratic city and see how much you like Utah then.
Cathy • Jan 25, 2022 at 8:00 pm
There were many riots and looting: https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/5/30/21275674/salt-lake-city-curfew-protest-library-square-george-floyd-killing-police-car-herbert-national-guard
Mass shooting: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/18/boy-kills-four-utah-mass-shooting
I hate Utah because the local religion is prejudice against people who are not like them. I have never experienced prejudice until I moved to Utah and cannot wait to leave Utah!
Pono.N. • Jun 25, 2022 at 6:06 pm
There are definitely prejudices there. I lived in Provo for two years and experienced a lot but nowhere to the affect that I would say I hate autah. there’s a lot of pros to living there. Mormons need to relax for sure over there. it’s their gathering place. they were forced to travel there over 100 years ago because people literally raped and cold-blooded killed their women, men, babies…it was a massacre. In Texas Baptists are just as bad but cruelest. when they found out I was mormon I was thrown out of houses and told not to associate with their kids. I don’t hate the Baptist church. I still have many dear friends who go there. but I would never say hate. Utah is a beautiful state with problems like everywhere else.
EEE • Dec 26, 2022 at 10:49 pm
thank you for sharing. people think mormons are perfect human beings but they’re human too?? we all sin and we all are imperfect except for our Lord jesus christ
Sara • May 11, 2022 at 10:00 pm
You love Utah so much because it is controlled by the LDS church. Its conservative and rigid norms may be suitable for you but I prefer a more free will ideology. I do not even vote because there is no beating the United front of the LDS church.
JayCee • Jan 10, 2022 at 9:22 am
We recently moved from a small town on the coast of Washington state to Rexburg, Idaho. Yes. We knew it 90% LDS. We are not LDS. We are conservative followers of Jesus. Our children are 10 and 16. We were not prepared for the chasim between LDS & non LDS. Our kids are straight A students and have always been regarded by others as well behaved and respectful. They have always made friends easily- regardless of religion, gender, color, sexual orientation.
Before my naturally curly headed 16 year old daughters first week at high school was over, a group of girls, who she thought were here new friends, told her that curly hair is a sign of having comitted many sins. She was asked to read a book about the beginnings of LDS. The high school is public and offers LDS Seminary. If you choose not to attend, it is well known. You are well received at the high school if you are LDS.
My 5th grade son has not experienced this level of haughtiness yet. I hope he won’t.
Think carefully before moving to a predominantly LDS community. They community is litter free and wholesome seeming but the challenge of being accepted is big.
Bob • Dec 28, 2021 at 4:45 pm
Whitewash your appearance? You look white and probably pass as white most of the time. Spare us the victim card honey.
Melissa • Sep 30, 2021 at 10:04 am
I have lived in Utah all my life. I have never known any place except Utah. I have been left out humiliated and treated as less than my whole life. I have been told by children I played with, my mom says we can not be friends. I have dated and ended up marrying a rouge LDS boy. He was always shamed for not going on a mission and dating an apostate. It ended in divorce and he married a good mormon girl. I have been in times of great poverty and referred to the church for food help. Wich I have been denied for not being a member. Yet they still send the stalker missionaries over to violate my privacy. I have tried to go to the church and visit with missionaries . But as soon as I ask why what where I am told they don’t know. I have never felt welcome in their church just stared at and shunned by all. I am sorry you had to experience the mormon wrath. I can not believe the disdain and self defeating behavior of most mormon fsithful. The lies their book tells them and when called out on anything they turn into defensive linebackers. Look within your own gospel the truth is there. I am no longer a pariah in this sea of faithful haters. Because I will not allow them to determine my self worth. I am a pagan witch in a place where we are the devil. But the funny thing is that their leader uses many pagan beliefs in their gospel like the hag stone the scrying of his hat and the theft of masonic rituals. Look into and question everything instead of just believing what they tell you to. Yes living in Utah has been very hard for me. I can say it has taught me exactly what and who I do not want to be. And as soon as someone like Lori Vallow starts preaching their trutha it is we don’t believe in this. It is kind of funny some of us non believers know more than members do. I am told I am going to hell and I am the devil. Well good cause I don’t believe in either. Good luck in your delusions people.
DR • Nov 5, 2021 at 10:31 am
Glad you are not a good White racists 😊
Helen Ann Rudinsky • Sep 6, 2021 at 10:31 am
I am thinking about moving to SLC. I am a conservative, evangelical Christian, so I am ok with the Mormon morals and family oriented lifestyle. During my college years I worked at Alta Ski Resort near Salt Lake and never experienced any problems with Mormons, not sure if there were any Mormons there. My relatives on my mom’s side are all Mormons. I have never had any problems with them although they would probably be happy if I converted to Mormonism. My question now is how would SLC be for my son, a 14 year old? I am considering a private Christian High School for him because I heard as a non Mormon, he might be excluded from parties and social events in a public high school. I am also concerned about the public schools in SLC and anywhere in the US because they are pushing Critical Race Theory, Transgenderism etc. Would my son be able to have a normal life as a teenager is SLC? Would he be able to get a fast food job? Participate in sports, camps etc?
I would love to move to SLC because of relatives close by, right now where we live we have no relatives near by, we are all alone, but I am a little hesitant. Many of my relatives are non-Utah, no BYU Mormons, so they experience problems in Utah as well.
Dan • Nov 24, 2021 at 6:44 am
“are pushing Critical Race Theory, Transgenderism etc”
Pushing? You act like its a drug being handed out… Its just information on how to treat other people DIFERENT to you with respect and to understand. You say it like its a disease you’ll catch! I’m reading all this as as someone living in England who has never been to the west of the US. (Only visited NY) And i must say im so grateful to live in such a liberal place… as most of the US sounds like its brainwashed and disrespectful to most people and beliefs 🙂
Paul • Apr 12, 2024 at 10:34 pm
Don’t do it, don’t move to SLC.
DR • Aug 29, 2021 at 9:52 pm
I grew up in Utah as a non-Mormon and I had a very similar experience. Many Mormons are very rude and super self absorbed. Just this weekend I was at a soccer game and during the entire first half (35 minutes) I had to listen to the couple right next to me FaceTime their missionary and talk loudly about how many people he was about to baptize. It was so rude, I just wanted to watch and cheer for my kid and I had to listen to that garbage.
Aaron • Aug 7, 2021 at 1:44 pm
This is clearly a hit job and reveals much more about the writer than Utah or LDS. Contempt for the lack of diversity? Why even bring that up as if that’s the peoples fault or why not point out that’s partly because we were not big on slaves? So everywhere else is to be praised for its diversity because they were big on slaves?
This is a person so insecure and annoyed at things that don’t fit her character and skin color that she can’t think more accurately and this much later still inclined to feel this way…? Pretty crazy. Also, when she does not point out fact that most LDS are not like this (and I think almost none are with non LDS in manner she describes) it makes me wonder the accuracy of her account about the ones she says were…
Yes, LDS can be earnest in sharing the gospel and some can even be over zealous (but thats highly limited). If they know you’re not interested its almost unheard some psycho keeps “pushing” the gospel on you. I am just not buying the picture she is selling.
Also, Europe is a completely different beast and religion tends to be more a tradition (a dying one) verse a heartfelt belief you try and live by everyday. I have a lot of criticisms of LDS too (from within the flock) but this I do not buy and there is a lot more good to point out.
We could go to any culture or country and find something to complain about; India, Africa, Russia, etc and LDS all over the world go on missions to these places and usually love it on various levels. I think she is totally missing the extent to which Utah and it’s people is a very special place.
Human beings no matter where you go have flaws and yes LDS can be better as can everyone else. Also, this is NOT some knee jerk reaction in defense. I am simply telling you your picture is not accurate.
If you ever see portions Jazz twitter stalk LDS people and try and defame and incite things against them and how pervasive it is thats a far bigger problem than any LDS going around and supposedly persecuting non LDS. The LDS bigotry in Utah IS ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING.
Its only place in the world you can display this level of bigotry and it be largely accepting with no pushback. Thats not how the church teaches its members and LDS tend not to be combative and are self conscious about looking as bad as some of the world at times has seen them (one of my criticisms of LDS is that. Weak kneed)
The LDS bigotry is everywhere in Utah. The fact is in every culture and every faith you can find things that appear or are horrible and flawed human beings. I implore all of you to watch Jazz twitter closer. There are hundreds of accounts (and more) and some are more regulars that if you mention Danny Ainge, Jabari Parker, Yoeli Childs, Jimmer Fridette or Jazz assistant coach who is LDS joining the team or the assistant becoming head coach they go nuts.
To such a degree that if it was black people being done to the outrage would be from coast to coast. Imagine as an LDS member living in Utah and being treated this way and knowing the bigotry towards LDS is far more acceptable than towards in any faith where that faith has a stronghold.
So determined are they that most make up lies EVERYDAY about LDS people and the church. THAT IS A VERY STUNNING SITUATION that would not be allowed in almost other place. In Israel there is pushback. In Muslim countries you’d get straight punished. In some parts of India if you were persecuting and doing that to Hindus you would have very serious problems as in Buddhist strongholds.
Again, watch much of Jazz twitter. LDS if you don’t believe me set a separate account and TEST it out. Every group of people have made mistakes. The United States and every government on earth has done so. I think the LDS Church has made great strides to understand things better and demand its people be better.
Its time for the politics to stop and the real purveyors of poison to cease their contribution to what over the next 70 years is going to become a very UGLY situation if they keep spreading these lies and exaggerating about the other things.
And LDS, STOP BEING SO DANG NAIVE! You appear as the most naive people sometimes, I know in part because you are so self conscious about church history and want a good reputation (the Lord isn’t concern with that=gathering of elect, of world) and you want to be good to be people and on balance (humbly) you are better to other people than that of any other faith.
Big Frank • Dec 22, 2021 at 9:38 am
The LDS are persecuted in Utah and proof is in twitter feed of the Jazz? Given the high percentage of LDS is local in and state government in Utah it’s surprising that they have tried to stop the persecution you describe. Best of luck to you
Carol • Jun 1, 2023 at 7:24 am
I disagree with your statements that the LDS does not encourage bigotry. First, I never said the Mormon religion was nuts. I said domestic abusers were nuts. (And this is important because??? Even one woman showing descent can’t be found or tolerated?) The congregation– because I was a minority and female viciously shunned and harassed me and my family for years on end– doxxed me, stood up for rapists, bigots, abused of any kind, and acts as a catalyst for unjust fascist interests.
In many years, they have committed countless crimes claiming male abusers are victims as an excuse for everything wrong that they do. There isn’t an offensive name that Mormons haven’t called me. They shunned me, attacked me pregnant, and have repeatedly attempted to take my son away for talking back to a man and enforce no contact with me for mock apostasy. They have never empathized with abused women, particularly rape victims, or even suggested being humane to me or anyone else leaving. They are intolerant and they typically don’t care about anyone. I have a kind Mormon friend, but she is by far the acception, and she was threatened with losing her kids for saying I was actually abused. They run an abuser network, more seriously than race, is the churches total dedication to supporting abusers and complete lack of empathy for abuse victims.
If you want to be told that you caused it to happen to yourself, you can’t talk back to a man, and you are worthless if you think you are equal to a man, this is the church for you. They break all sorts of laws trying to injure women and that is nuts. They have zero empathy for females and no remorse, at least, the leadership doesn’t treat them humanely, but don’t we all know this? What’s nuts is frequently no one cares. Why bother sticking your head in ground. It is not shocking. Everyone knows that Utah has a female rights problems. How could it not? Pretend this and pretend that. Utah has a violent history regarding people defecting. They are not exactly empathetic towards females who feel oppressed. If you have an excuse for it, well, that’s nuts too, since it is totally unnecessary. But whatever…they are going to do what they do because people don’t want the realization that the society was founded on a lie in regard to women and their role in the cosmos. If you wake up, you can’t forget. That is why they do it. It is easier to ostracize others or a particular person than change an entire way of life. I don’t blame people for wanting to stay the same but it is nuts to injure people who are upset about oppression because they did wake up. Nuts and a waste of time…
Gerard Blakeley • Aug 4, 2021 at 9:44 am
I love Utah
Edward • Jul 26, 2021 at 8:00 pm
Great article. As someone who was born and raised here and is not Mormon, I experienced all of these situations and more. From time to time I forget about the prejudice and then I remember the fact that my in laws do not want a relationship with my children because they are not Mormon. This article is a good reminder that not much has changed.
Tom • Jul 25, 2021 at 11:52 am
Hello CJ Alexander,
Please ignore all those defensive, negative comments about your article. I am LDS, and I have absolutely no issue with your article. I don’t understand why some people get so defensive and insulted about your article. I think it’s valuable feedback about our Faith. Thanks for sharing.
Alison • Jul 22, 2021 at 9:21 pm
I left the Church as an adult and became a born-again Christian.
Much of what has been said about the mormons is true.
I love them, but I am glad to not be a part of them anymore.
My mormon family has no interest in me because they believe I am lost, which is quite funny since my life revolves around the true teachings of Jesus and I speak more of Him than any mormon ever does.
They are very close minded and somewhat delusional, because of the pervasive pride in their hearts.
Dez Cadena • Jun 20, 2021 at 8:11 pm
To CJ, Alexander,
You’re lying (You=a troll). And, also a few of the commenters with their “made-up” anti-mormon hatred.
I am non-mormon and have lived here since 1987. Attended Jr, High, High School, and College in Salt Lake City. Not once, Not one time—did a member
of the Mormon Church “push their beliefs” on me. You wrote, “I was regarded with suspicion or ridiculed. I felt like an outcast. I white-washed my appearance, straightening and toning down my curly hair. I changed my vocabulary and altered my dress to coincide with conservative Mormon values. I even suppressed my own religious beliefs for fear of disrupting the status quo. My Mormon friends didn’t realize how difficult it was to be a double minority: Black and non-LDS.” No one FORCED you to be a “chameleon.” That’s an insecurity in you—NOT to be YOU! You are the most dangerous type of person (a pathological liar), and not sincere. You hid from your own race/culture, while hanging out with your “mormon friends.”
Another commenter goes on to say, that he was, “Thrown out of a gym for wearing a cut-off tank and jogging pants because I was not allowed to show my abdomen.” That’s absurd (and a full on lie). I played sports in all the schools I attended. I, and nor any of my teammates were ever thrown out of
any gym for showing our abs. These types of stories are very “transparent,” and have filled the pages of Newspapers/Magazines etc., in Utah and beyond for decade after decade. They are also filled with hatred towards a church/religion that you just don’t like. And that’s okay. You don’t have to like the religion and the culture, or the people—just don’t lie about your experiences because of your anger and rage. I don’t believe in the religion, but I have lived my life here in Salt Lake, and NO ONE stopped me from me being anything that I wanted to be.
“Utah is not that diverse.” Wow! You have to look up stats for that. I think EVERYONE in Utah knows that Utah is not diversity central. Neither is Wyoming and most states West of the Mississippi River, nor most of New England.
Guess what I can do as an adult? And, guess what I have done? I can move to almost anywhere in the world. I can also travel to almost any place. So, you guessed it. I have lived in other cities, other countries. I have visited EVERY state in the United States, and have visited a plethora of countries.
Guess what you can do as an adult? The same things I just mentioned. So…
why would you live here, if you despise Utah?
The scariest thing about you—is that you want to be a Prosecutor.
Hmmm…will you have any Bias against Mormons?
Pleas stop the Lies.
Sara • May 11, 2022 at 10:09 pm
I am surprised how visceral you come across in your response. Your reality does not make his reality a lie. Your whole rant leaves me wondering. Why so angry and defensive.
Leslie • Dec 31, 2023 at 9:06 pm
I may be able to explain the differences in perspective between you and the author. I lived in rural Utah for eight years a few decades ago. It appeared there were a couple of ways to possibly buffer the intensity of LDS rejection as a non-Mormon. These included being an involved in and excelling at team sports, and/or residing in some of the more diverse areas of SLC .
I empathize with those individuals, such as the author, who are REQUIRED to move with their family solely for career purposes to areas where the tribes are well-established, homogenous, and incredibly tight. One example of careers with such transfer mandates would be certain government-related positions. I never did meet a transferred family who said “you know, we just plan to stay here in rural Utah because we fell in love with the area.” 😉
The silver lining of me observing such a degree of self-assured ignorance was the importance of respecting and accepting others. This is especially true if others are different from you. It’s not an easy lesson to always apply, but essential to finding common ground and lasting peace. This view helped me cultivate and maintain friendships with a wide range of people holding diverse beliefs, including those of LDS faith (outside of rural Utah).
sylvia mikey • Jun 14, 2021 at 3:36 pm
I had stepped away from the Mormon cult – and my family was in a big uproar about that and my mormon friends stopped talking to me. They were extremely emotionally abusive towards me. My family and members of the church would spy on me at work and where I lived at, and harrass me and those know to me. To the point I had to leave my job of 6 years to get away from ‘the circle of family violence’. Told no one where I had moved to – to finally find peace . It was stupidly crazy!!!
Cindy Jolley • Jun 12, 2021 at 8:30 pm
I am from the Big Horn Basin in Wyoming. The Basin has a long History with The Church. My family history is LDS. My uncle taught economics at BYU and lived in Orem. I’m very used to church in the Big Horn basin and many of my cousins have gone on missions. I never realized how close minded and intolerant they were until I saw a documentary about Michael Moore’s attempt to speak at BYU and their treatment of the organizer. They were outraged at his mere presence. Then I saw their treatment of Mitt Romney for not supporting Trump. I am flat out afraid to stop in Utah. They seem utterly hostile to anyone with an independent thought. Sad
Caris • Jun 10, 2021 at 9:12 pm
I agree. I live in Chicago but often visit Heber and Park City to see my dad who lives there. I am treated with the utmost disdain. Thrown out of a gym for wearing a cut-off tank and jogging pants because I was not allowed to show my abdomen, but clearly Mormon residents walked right past me with sports bras on and no problem. I do have a six pack, I’m an athlete and powerlifter, maybe that was the issue? Lol. I pull 425lb on deadlift so you’d think they’d want an athlete there, but okay. Anyway, greeted with non-stop glares from Mormon women whenever I leave the house. I dread going because I know how it’s going to be, literally like being in the movie Mean Girls x10. But I still go because I love my family. It’s utter insanity. Like being in the twilight zone. Love her piece here, definitely resonated with me.
Sara • May 3, 2021 at 7:06 pm
We moved to Idaho, Meridian. Every thing we read never stated how Mormon it is. We came from diversity and acceptance. We were not accepted in our highly mormon neighborhood. We had to move into a new community where all the Californians are moving. Retirees don’t care. But we have kids in high school. The schools are close to 90% mormon. Once they get to high school they no longer can associate with nonmormons. It breaks my heart we brought our boys into this. The last is about to graduate. We will be leaving Idaho. It is not right that a religion can run a state. They are not kind. They do not help others outside their faith. They have a disturbed affect missing free thinking. There is a huge divide in Idaho. I do believe the mormon
influence will dissipate with time. Kids are reading the truth of their beliefs online. It has jaded me. I just want to live where people can be free and not judged because we are not brainwashed by a multibillion dollar lie.
John Novak • Mar 20, 2021 at 4:00 pm
Catherine you say that lds people wish to preach the gospel to get more people into gods kingdom then are you saying anyone who is not a member of the lds church will not attain salvation that sounds a bit exclusively and people could get offended by someone taking that position all I can say for the most part. The lds church really does not respect other faiths nor do they care they only act like they care if another faith can be used to back up the validity of the lds church
Remember Catherine the lds church stands or falls on the testimony of a 17 year old boy named Joseph smith
Biblical Christianity stands or fall on the word of god the holy bible
todd • Mar 10, 2021 at 10:15 pm
The comments here reflect different ages. The difficulty is greater when you’re in school. I huge part of your classmates and teachers will have no interest in you or consider you someone that is worth their time. This is a time in life when people need friends and mentors who care and are interested in them. When I grew up I liked sports but the leagues were run through the wards so there was never an opportunity for me to participate. I worked very very hard with a few friends and got good enough to be on the basketball team but the two of us that were non-Mormon were rejected even though we were clearly good enough. Later in college we played in a league, and won every game against a team that consisted of the “best” players on our high school team. The games weren’t even close. I did become state champion in an individual sport where the coach was the only non-Mormon teacher in our school but all I really wanted to do was play basketball. I believe that for most non-Mormons really know what they missed out on because they just weren’t given the opportunities that Mormons are given. My advice is if you’re young and non-Mormon go to college out of state. It’s very hard to leave one’s family behind but when you do it you’ll realize that your finally free or I guess these days SLC and the U of U are OK for non-Mormons.
Shasta • Mar 4, 2021 at 10:40 pm
What I really don’t like in Utah is that it isn’t very pretty. It is so desert and so brown and I like greenery. A lot of people say it is beautiful, but I don’t think it is. The LDS who came in 1847 have worked wonders in beautifying the place–but still it is not that attractive. Also, I don’t care for the climate. It is too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. The water is also very hard.
Jason • Nov 24, 2021 at 2:34 pm
I live in Alaska you dont even know hard winters I am not LDS but I would rather live in a place with strong consertive values then a liberal trash can.
Shasta • Mar 4, 2021 at 10:33 pm
I am active LDS and I have spent most of my life in the Pacific Northwest (Alaska, Washington). I came down to Utah to attend BYU. After graduating from BYU I moved to the Bountiful, Utah area. I had a difficult time, even though I was active LDS. I might have seen things wrong. I wasn’t married and wasn’t even dating. I was troubled by the division between LDS and other Christian denominations. I found I wasn’t accepted. I didn’t wear the right clothes. Now I wore modest clothes–but they were not the right style. I also didn’t listen to the right music. I didn’t vote for the right candidates. I remember voting for a Democrat candidate who was LDS but I “should” have voted for the Republican candidate who was also LDS. This Republican candidate served several terms but I always voted against him. Fortunately he has retired. A year after my BYU graduation I moved to Washington, where I lived for almost three decades. I eventually married and then later, got divorced. I would hear of people moving to Utah and I wondered how anyone who lived in a place as nice as Washington would want to move to Utah. Eventually, the time came for me to move back to Utah. My mother was old.
I hope I am not unfriendly to those of another denomination or those of no denomination. I grew up with friends who were protestants and catholic. I’ve heard that in Utah some children were not allowed to associate with Non LDS children. That absolutely shocks me. There are many who belong to other Christian denominations who are much better than I am. there are those who are not Christian who are much better than I am.
President Gordon B. Hinckley was very concerned regarding Latter-day Saints who considered that our Brothers and Sisters from other faiths to be inferior. He spoke about loving all our brothers and sisters and yes, there are many who are inspired.
I will say I have a problem with some Christians who say this group or that group is going to Hell. The New Testament was written mainly to people who knew the gospel. There are many out there who have never heard the name of Jesus but would accept Him as their personal Lord and Savior if they had that opportunity.
Kevin • Feb 28, 2021 at 12:01 pm
I moved to Utah in 2019 because of a job offer that transplanted me from the south to the middle of the mountains. It was already a shock, but as I saw it was clean and safe, I thought people would be nice as the place, but I was totally WRONG!
I am living a nightmare since I moved to this place, which I’m soon leaving… Unfortunately, the pandemic came and slowed my plans. Otherwise, I would be already in a big city, where people know how to respect others and don’t treat them as invisible in the best case scenarios, or as some of them treated me, which I’d never would do to a human.
They don’t respect people that aren’t part of their cult, and that’s true! EVERYONE knows that.
If you’re over qualify, then be prepared because their jealousy is something out of this galaxy, for real… It doesn’t matter if you came from Harvard with awards. Once you’re not part of the cult, they will leave you behind and choose one of their members, always based on the fact, this member “deserve” that job better, because he’s a member and also because he made 6 children in 3 years, so he needs the job more than a professional does.
The only place non-mormons live a little less hostile life is in west valley. The members of the cult say a lot of bad things about the place… I even heard in a work environment two people dissing the place and saying, “Well, unfortunately, we need them to SERVE us, “… and I was like, “excuse me, serve you? Who do you think you are? You can’t even choose what to do in your life because you need to wait for your arranged boyfriend to return from his two years abroad to start reproducing kids… and you’re judging others?” of course, if I speak my mind out, we all here know what would happen. If they already do their best to destroy your chances, just for not being part of the cult, imagine then if you tell the truth right at their stupid and alienated faces. You become an enemy.
I don’t see any differences between them and Scientology, except in Scientology, people need to be smart or talented to be accepted.
I’ll soon leave this place and live in a normal place… They only need to remember that despite the fact all the people in their cult run the state, the state still is part of a country, the United States of America, which has a CONSTITUTION granting basic human rights and also OSHA, which says clearly that no organizations can discriminate people, based on their ethnicity, sexual orientation, RELIGION and more… to refresh their disturbed and brains washed minds about the regulations of this nation. This place is beautiful and safe, but these people make it ugly and impossible to breathe.
Once in a job, RH opened a position, and I was the only one in my team to qualify for it, but I ended not having the job because of a question that I answered wrong to the recruiter. This question was: Are you a member of the church?
They wanted me to answer yes since my answer was no! (Thank God), then they decided to hire another person, who not even had a clue about what to do and was later asking me how much I’d charge him to teach him the job…
I am not saying all the mormons are like that, but coincidently, ALL that I met or ever talked, are equally the same. I know many of them who can’t live this emotional slavery anymore and can’t wait to break free from the cult. To those, I really wish you all an amazing life, don’t worry about breaking free from this mental prison, you’ll find amazing and incredible people in your life, and you can live anywhere in this beautiful country we live. Believe me, there are places way better than Utah in this country, I’ve been there before, and I’m coming back. Be you! Be Free!
From the moment an organization treats other humans like low-class or second-class humans, or once you break free, they prohibit all the other members, including your own FAMILY, from contacting you or talk to you. It’s more than clear; this is not a religion, this is a cult, a diabolical one…
Serene • Jan 31, 2021 at 2:59 pm
We moved to Utah and while it’s clean and beautiful I’m ready to move on. From what I understand it’s calmed down significantly from the way it was back in the day, but of you’re an outsider, it’s still best as a place to visit. Oh, and I AM a member. I was baptized in Nevada. The church in Utah is very different. There is a rigidity or something. This is the only place me and my husband have lived for over a year with zero new friends. It’s kind of a shame. When we go. I will miss the beautiful canyons and like two people. I tried SO hard to love living here. I truly believe anyplace with a homogeneous culture wary of outsiders is not and will never be for us!
Janet Jensen • Mar 3, 2022 at 8:02 am
I am a Romney supporter and also a “Mormon” and appalled and saddened by the way our good Senator is treated in his own state. Shame on the “Trumpers”.
Delaine • Nov 12, 2020 at 2:28 pm
I too lived in Utah as a non-mormon in the 80s during high school and it was indeed a nightmare. I was bullied by my Mormon classmates for the offense of not being Mormon. And one instance my classmates accused me of plagiarism when I read a poem I wrote as part of an English class. When I responded that I swore to God that I wrote the poem the teach across the room grabbed my arm and told me never to take the lord’s name in vain in his class again before he shoved me outside of the classroom. It was enough for me to ultimately drop out of high school. I eventually moved and eventually not only finished high school but college and law school and am a practicing lawyer. My memories of Utah and Mormonism are awful
Wilt Wiltfong • Sep 25, 2020 at 4:02 pm
As a long-time observant (I carefully regard religious ritual) member of the Church, politically liberal, and inherently suspicious of authority, I’ve often felt excluded from the tribe. That’s on their shoulders. I’m where God wishes me to be. Stay the course and be the person you want to be. The devil take them if they don’t have a sense of humor. 🙃
Lorrie Creamer • Sep 25, 2020 at 1:16 pm
Growing up a non Mormon in Utah, I experienced the same things you did, plus more. Then I ended up marrying a man from a very large Mormon family. It was bad enough at first, but when we had a child that I had no intention of raising in that church, it was beyond any nightmare that I could imagine. You are correct that Utah lives in a bubble. Being a Democrat in this Republican run state is another nightmare. I think there is closer to 70% Republicans in this state. And being against Trump and for BLM is something that I have to be able to keep my opinion to myself or risk opening a can of worms in my husband’s huge family.
Tom • Apr 21, 2022 at 1:50 pm
You can always move to my home state of Colorado, where 85% of Metro Denver is democrat. Thank goodness I live in Colorado Springs where only 45% are democrat.
Carroll Brown • Sep 25, 2020 at 12:31 pm
Bless your heart! Moving to an area of Utah where there are primarily one religion is difficult. I being an Air Force brat understand moving every 6 months to 3 years growing up. My most culturally difficult move was moving from liberal Ann Arbor, Michigan to Montgomery Alabama (ultra conservative and mainly Babtist). Moving to Okinawa was not as culturally difficult. The good part is that it teaches us more when we are presented these opportunities. Unlike those who never move and aren’t exposed to different cultures multiple times, not just a mission, you have been blessed with helping make this world a better place. Thank you for contributing your thoughts. I admire your strength.
Catherine • Sep 25, 2020 at 9:59 am
You obviously had a wonderful experience in Europe. Have you lived all over Utah? It sounded like you had as you lumped all Mormons into one bunch, then you went on to forgive some for being over zealous to share their faith and standards and when they asked questions you thought that invasive. But you didn’t regard their privacy about certain aspects of the temple guidances. Not secret just sacred.
Toward the end you want everyone to respect everyone and be open to diversity. Have you lived in Salt Lake City?? Have you been to Park City?? Among the people that live there. Any smaller towns on outskirts? Heber City maybe?
Mormons love to share the gospel as you already know. They want everyone to be a disciple of Christ. This is a Mormon state, yes you said it yourself.
With all the protesting and whatnot going on in general Utah has faired pretty well.
What is it that you want to see changed? We do have diversity, we have crime as you probably well know and we have gangs and protests. However I’m grateful that this State doesn’t cater
to it.
It is a beautiful and peaceful place to live. You sound like you are missing what was, maybe if you look around you’ll see not all Mormons are the same as all areas are not the same. And be as accepting of others as you would want to be accepted.
Welcome to Utah and good luck with your studies. Ah that Is a job where you will have to be fair to all right!
Teri • Sep 25, 2020 at 8:35 am
And many are more open to Nonmembers I really enjoyed your article and completely understand what you are saying. I, myself am a military brat and have resided in Utah for decades, and am a nonconformist. Many of the Mormons are brought up with a very strict ideals of what is good and bad and don’t waver they’re opinions, however there are some that are more open and excepting of non Mormons. Throughout the years I have spent in Utah I have seen where there have been many positive changes
Vicki wood • Sep 25, 2020 at 8:04 am
I have never experienced this myself. I have Mormon friends, I have Republican friends. Most of my neighbors are both.
They still like me. They know I live and let live, and they do the same.
The world would be so boring if everyone thought the same way.
Where is the challenge it that.😁